Working and Conformation

[Diane Heller-Vaccaro]

I'm looking for a puppy that can do both. As some of you know Nero passed away last year and I am at the point were I can see another Rottie in my home. I'm looking at dogs from Jenecks can anyone email me privately and give me some advice on their dogs.

Thanks.

[flyballmom]

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Originally Posted by Diane Heller

I'm looking for a puppy that can do both. As some of you know Nero passed away last year and I am at the point were I can see another Rottie in my home. I'm looking at dogs from Jenecks can anyone email me privately and give me some advice on their dogs.

Thanks.

[Rott-Wiley]

My dogs parents are both Jeneck's dogs and I just love her temperment. She does have very high drives and a real strong desire to work.

[samanthac]

My very dear friend, Amanda Hoskinson, owns Jeneck's Sam. Sam is a wonderful animal and an absolute testament to the Rottweiler breed. Sam can and has done it all:

AKC Champion
ARV Champion
Multi V-1
SchH3
IPO3
BH
AD
Korung
ABST
CGC
Member of the IFR Wrold Team for 2000 and 2001

The inimitable Mrs. Muriel Freeman, the most respected Rottweiler breeder/judge ever, stopped Amanda at Westminster and told her that Sam was everything a Rottweiler should be. That is a compliment of cosmic proportions.

Sam is a balance of working drive, correct conformation and super, super temperament. Steven and I have had more than one occasion to spend time with Sam. He is a super dog and will always have a very special place in my heart. He will undoubtedly go down as one of the legends in this breed.

[Diane Heller-Vaccaro]

This is all very good news.

[work-n-show]

In another thread I have posted another example of a dog that is performing quite well in conformation venues and working venues. There are a bunch of great dogs out there right now.

BTW - Connor's Sire just won the CH Pico vom Hegestrauch award at the ARC nationals for producing the most performance titled offspring for the year. Last year 17 of his get earned titles from 4 litters. This was the second year in a row he earned the award. Also, his Dam was recognized for producing 3 dogs that finished their Am CH last year. She was also the first Rottweiler EVER to be in the ARC top 10 in both working (herding) and conformation in the same year. (1998)

Take a look around, there lot's of great dogs out there.

[poohbearsmom]

Originally Posted by work-n-show

In another thread I have posted another example of a dog that is performing quite well in conformation venues and working venues. There are a bunch of great dogs out there right now.

BTW - Connor's Sire just won the CH Pico vom Hegestrauch award at the ARC nationals for producing the most performance titled offspring for the year. Last year 17 of his get earned titles from 4 litters. This was the second year in a row he earned the award. Also, his Dam was recognized for producing 3 dogs that finished their Am CH last year. She was also the first Rottweiler EVER to be in the ARC top 10 in both working (herding) and conformation in the same year. (1998)

Take a look around, there lot's of great dogs out there.

Sam is definitely a WONDERFUL dog!

I really like what Prico produced, and what's been produced by his progeny, for the most part. Prico (Pico) was not a large dog, from what I understand, but produced VERY nice bone, substance, and conformation - and his working attitude was spread out as well. I've looked into several linebreedings on Prico, one of which I was prepared to take a pup from....unfortunately, the breeding did not take.

Definitely, take a look around, talk to folks, give yourself several options, and research the hell out of them! So far, there have been 3 breedings that I researched, and things did not work out, for one reason or another..... so, it was not meant to be... hopefully, this 4th breeding will be the one.... In other words, don't put all your eggs in one basket.... ;)

[stevenc]

Originally Posted by Diane Heller

I'm looking for a puppy that can do both. As some of you know Nero passed away last year and I am at the point were I can see another Rottie in my home. I'm looking at dogs from Jenecks can anyone email me privately and give me some advice on their dogs.

Thanks.

Are you talking about work and conformation for the arc/akc or german style venue? This will help in your desicion. If you prefer german style shows then I would look at Redwoodkrest's website. Joeri has many proven females that all have their schutzhund titles and most of them are imported from Germany to give you the proper temperment. If you want akc dogs with "java blend coffee maker" type names then you are looking at a different dog. I will never understand how folks can buy a puppy based soley on the fact the sire won a show like westminster. Look at the pedigree, see what dogs have been titled, make sure all females at least have the schutzhund 1 title. Then you will have a better chance at obtaining a good working dog with proper temperment.

[ACERSMOM]

A well bred, correct Rottweiler should be able to show in both venues, AKC and German style, and excell. There are many different kinds of work our Rotts are able to perform in, but that is the beauty of this breed, they are so versatile. Do not disregard the AKC Ch because there are numerous ones out there producing great dogs with titles at both ends. They can be beautiful and work also. For example the dog that Steve is refering to who won at Westminster, his sire has numerous working titles after his name and he is also producing them.

[fbkeays]

Originally Posted by ACERSMOM

A well bred, correct Rottweiler should be able to show in both venues, AKC and German style, and excell. There are many different kinds of work our Rotts are able to perform in, but that is the beauty of this breed, they are so versatile. Do not disregard the AKC Ch because there are numerous ones out there producing great dogs with titles at both ends. They can be beautiful and work also. For example the dog that Steve is refering to who won at Westminster, his sire has numerous working titles after his name and he is also producing them.

The "Java Blend" dog has also done VERY well in every single German style show he has been in (multi V-1). His owners actually like the German style shows, and travel a good bit to go to them. This dog is being trained in SchH, has his BH and AD. He is run five miles every morning and if it wasn't for the AKC shows, he would be carrying a lot less fat, but he is in shape, no doubt about it.
Java's owners/breeders are very involved in pet therapy and that is the reason his mother never did bite work. She also did very well in the German style rings too.
So unless you know the dog you are dissing, I would keep my mouth shut.

[stevenc]

Originally Posted by fbkeays

The "Java Blend" dog has also done VERY well in every single German style show he has been in (multi V-1). His owners actually like the German style shows, and travel a good bit to go to them. This dog is being trained in SchH, has his BH and AD. He is run five miles every morning and if it wasn't for the AKC shows, he would be carrying a lot less fat, but he is in shape, no doubt about it.
Java's owners/breeders are very involved in pet therapy and that is the reason his mother never did bite work. She also did very well in the German style rings too.
So unless you know the dog you are dissing, I would keep my mouth shut.

Before you give me crap maybe you should read the post. I never mentioned any particular dog in my post. Nor will I debate you about any of the AKC dogs. They have their venue and I have no idea what the judges like or dislike. I can only go by what I have seen personaly. I have not been impressed but that is not to say there are not nice dogs in this venue. But before you go off, maybe you should learn to read properly! :(

[fbkeays]

Originally Posted by stevenc

Before you give me crap maybe you should read the post. I never mentioned any particular dog in my post. Nor will I debate you about any of the AKC dogs. They have their venue and I have no idea what the judges like or dislike. I can only go by what I have seen personaly. I have not been impressed but that is not to say there are not nice dogs in this venue. But before you go off, maybe you should learn to read properly! :(

Oh, so sorry, but "java blend coffee maker" winning at WKC is real similar to 2003 WKC BOB winner, Multi V-1,Multi BISS CH Shelkon's A Cool Java Blend, CD,BH,TT,AD,CGC. I guess I read too much into your post. I do know this dog. He has some real nice qualities and some I could do without.
What I read in your orginal post was that if you want to have a dog that has a schH background and German style conformation success then to not look at AKC dogs with "java blend coffee maker" type names. I am just pointing out that the above mentioned dog does have a schH background and has done very well in the German style ring. If you don't like dogs with funny names, so be it.

[stevenc]

Originally Posted by fbkeays

Oh, so sorry, but "java blend coffee maker" winning at WKC is real similar to 2002 WKC BOB winner, Multi V-1,Multi BISS CH Shelkon's A Cool Java Blend, CD,BH,TT,AD,CGC. I guess I read too much into your post. I do know this dog. He has some real nice qualities and some I could do without.
What I read in your orginal post was that if you want to have a dog that has a schH background and German style conformation success then to not look at AKC dogs with "java blend coffee maker" type names. I am just pointing out that the above mentioned dog does have a schH background and has done very well in the German style ring. If you don't like dogs with funny names, so be it.

Funny. Just a misunderstanding! I guess what I was trying to say is if this person is looking for a Working Dog for Schutzhund, maybe they should look in a different venue and make sure all the dogs in the pedigree have their titles to make sure the dog has the temperment for schutzhund. Sorry for any confusion and I really didn't mean to offend any dogs. All rottys are good to me. ;)

[fbkeays]

Glad to hear it was an honest mistake. I do agree that if you are interested in particular traits for a puppy, that people find parents and grandparents with those traits. Titles also don’t tell the whole story either, but it is a good starting point.
I guess I am a little sensitive. Java is a fine dog, but I know he isn’t for everyone (not sure if he is right for me). My own young dog is out of a BOB winner from WKC (2000) with a funny name. My own boy has a funny name too. He is out of SchH and breed tested stock. Both parents have been worked in SchH; his dam is out of a SchHIII import and would have had her SchHI if she weren’t killed in an accident (did have BST).
I am sure Fizbin would do well in SchH if given the chance. He has excelled in tracking, doing well in herding and is coming along in obedience. He is extremely high drive dog with an outstanding temperament and good looking- what I was looking for in a dog. Fizbin is out of AKC champions, BISS/BOSS winners and multi V-1 ratings too. Fizbin took his first V rating last fall and finish his AKC championship a few months ago.
I do hope no one will fault him if he wins at WKC next year<G>. But when the announcer says that the rottweiler can do it all, he won’t be too far from the truth for once if Fizbin is the one trotting around the ring.
The key is to research the parent’s pedigree for health, conformation and working traits. Not all rotts are right for all rott owners. You just have to find the right fit of breeder and pedigree for what you are interested in doing with your dog. My first male was exactly what I was looking for at the time. Fizbin is exactly what I was looking for when I got him. They are completely different rottweilers and I am very happy with both of them.

[samanthac]

Originally Posted by fbkeays

My own young dog is out of a BOB winner from WKC (2000) with a funny name. My own boy has a funny name too. He is out of SchH and breed tested stock. Both parents have been worked in SchH; his dam is out of a SchHIII import and would have had her SchHI if she weren’t killed in an accident (did have BST).

Steven might tease ya about Fiz's name :D but not about Hawk or Dori. We have spent many a show chatting with Marge and Maureen. It was very sad what happened to Dori. Hawky-baby is our bud and we rooted out butts of for him the year he was at WKC!