Bandog? - Page 4

valdes43 · #46 11-05-2002, 10:19 AM

The downfall of being into this breed are the ignorant idiots that sport them. Sorry to hear about your friends arm. It's good to give all of us a reminder to stay as safe as possible when working dogs. It's definitely a possibility with any working breed.

angrygenius · #47 11-06-2002, 12:42 AM

bandog \BAN-dog\, noun:
A mastiff or other large and fierce dog, usually kept chained or tied up.
``The keeper entered leading his bandog, a large bloodhound, tied in a leam, or band, from which he takes his name.'' --Sir W. Scott.

``As fierce as a bandog that has newly broke his chain.'' --Sir George Etherege

``He was usually spoken of as the bandog of Burgundy, or the Alsatian mastiff.'' --Scott

This is the dictionary definition, according to dictionary.com. It's pretty straight forward, and sets no definate breed as the bandog, just ANY Big Mean Dog that has alot of aggression and strength, that has been tied out. This also pretty much agrees with much of the bandog sites as to breed, since they seem to have a number of breeds and crosses that they call bandog, and the initial impression of the most visible bandog sites would appeal to the person that just wants a BMD or a fighter. While they usually talk down the fighting aspect, much of the general content is about those aspects of the dogs makeup.

http://www.bandog.org/
I was particularly put off by the logo pic, of a snarling,slobbering dogs face, eyes aglow. This is nothing but ammunition for those that WANT to legislate breeds, and this includes most all of the guard breeds, which are already under fire. I personally see no reason to breed another BMD, but then, I'm not breeding them. I would think that most Rottweiler fans would at least remain out of the issue of whether or not a breed should or should'nt be, since to allow the legislation of one breed is to open the door to ANY breed being legislated, and is that not what we already fight against? In my personal opinion, if you cross a Pit Bull Terrier with a Neapolitan Mastiff, you end up with a mutt, which may or may not be any good at the work you want to use it for. BUT I will go on record as saying that they have the right to do so. There are to many Media people out there just looking for a story to make ratings with, and divide and conquer has worked very well, plus is good controversy, which just keeps the half-truths on the front page that much longer.
As for the lack of dog fighting, I have my doubts. People that put that much time into a fighting "breed" are more likely to test their dogs "gameness" and "fight drive" than someone that just has a big dog. Things like cropped ears and spiked collars are specific to dog fighting, just like cropped tails are specific to cattle dogs, and for practical reasons.
http://pages.prodigy.net/semencic/bandog.htm
It comes down to an old saw, the one about "when they came for me, there was no one left to speak up." This pretty much sums up the whole thing for me. I have Rottweilers, and I want to keep them, so I will back another mans right to have his "Bandog", because to do otherwise is to open a door that will stay open, and it will be a mess if the wind blows through it.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/australianbandog.htm

On a side note, I did find it a little odd that the bandog.org site had a sidebar, and much of what they listed there could already be found in the Rottweiler. Some things to consider. JG

Mattweiser · #48 11-06-2002, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by angrygenius
I was particularly put off by the logo pic, of a snarling,slobbering dogs face, eyes aglow. This is nothing but ammunition for those that WANT to legislate breeds, and this includes most all of the guard breeds, which are already under fire... [/b]

not arguing with you, but has anybody here been to a "respected GSD" site called ?????????? it has snarling GSDs all over it, but NOBODY speaks ill of the blessed GSD!!!

now, as for the meaning of the word, I believe that the purpose of using a generic term is to allow for open breeding.. realize that, I am not neccessarily a supporter of the "breed", I do not, nor do I intend to own a bandog in the immediate future.. However comma that does not take away from the validity of the breed...

WorkinDogz · #49 11-06-2002, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Mattweiser

not arguing with you, but has anybody here been to a "respected GSD" site called ?????????? it has snarling GSDs all over it, but NOBODY speaks ill of the blessed GSD!!!

Oh waaaaa waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaa waaaaaa :D :D :p

angrygenius · #50 11-06-2002, 10:50 PM

Actually, I don't much care for GSD's in general. They just don't suit my temperment, just like German Shorthairs don't. I never looked up anything on the "respected GSD", and so have never seen the site you refer to. I only wanted to try and clarify the bandog, and give my opinion at the same time. I still have my doubts of about them being a legitimate breed, so perhaps you can direct me to a site that defines them? JG

wizzard · #51 11-07-2002, 01:28 AM

As a sidenote:

Old Irish legends contain "bandog".

"Near to Stradbally stands the Rock of Dunamase, surmounted by a ruined castle that was known to the ancient Greeks and included by Ptolemy in his famous world map of 140 A.D. As befits its age and spooky nature, there's a Banshee here too, as well as one of the more terrifying but lesser known Irish ghouls, a hell-hound. The hound is a huge mastiff called Bandog, jet black in color with flaming breath. He is there to guard the treasure buried at the heart of the hill and so far he's been successful. Nobody's ever found it."

"A Bandog, a huge spirit-world mastiff with huge jaws from which flames appear. A Bandog is said to guard treasure buried beneath the Rock of Dunamase in Co. Laois."