Need Heat Cycle Info Plz.

[Javier321]

Hi everyone,
I just brought home a newedition to my famliy,8 1/2week old Esco ,but anyways ive only had him for a few days now and i managed to get my best friend who was looking into getting a rottweiler to get one of the pup's from the same litter i got mine from,(litter of 16)
we plan on having lots playdates for the both of them but the only thing is that my friend is getting a female and i have a male,so you all know what that means when they get a littel bigger i know my boy is going to want to try and get it in(if you know what i mean)even tho there bro & sis i dont think when it comes to mating the no famliy relations rule applies to dogs.

So my Q is when they get to that age when they start to get in heat are they aways going to be trying to go at it?we dont plan on getting any of are dogs spay or neuter so please dont recamond to,what im trying to find out is what age,how aften & how long do dogs & bitches have heat cycle for so we know when we can plan playdates for them and when not to and also any other tips that would be helpful.any replys are appreciated,
p.s. as i said on the above my pup is 8 1/2weeks old and i ive only had him for a few days now(got him on thursday)my friend wont be getting his girl til next weekend so i we would like know if the two pups will recognize each other by the time she gets here?

[ladycricket]

I'm curious as to why you don't want to spay/neuter? Please do a search on diseases of the reproductive systems and responsible breeding.
The heat cycle starts at about 6 months to answer your question. My father has never spayed his dog and her cycles tend to be irregular.

[BostonRott]

A bitch who isn't spayed and is never bred is at high risk for both mammary gland cancer and pyometria. Pyo usually shows up with no symptoms until it's too late, and then you pray that an emergency spay (which is FAR more expensive than a regular spay) will save her.

Quite honestly, I don't think you're going to find much support here with the attitude that you have.

[SABELLESMOM]

No, you definately won't get much support for keeping either animal intact. If you come for answers to your question: What age do heat cycles start? Will they always be going at it? What age, how often and how long? And "please don't recommend spay, neuter"...then expect people to wonder if you're to be the next BYB (back yard breeder) on the block.

Heats usually start around 6 months of age. They last for 3 weeks each time and normally occur twice a year. Heats are messy! You will find blood no matter how fastidious the bitch is, sometimes the size of a CD. You can't let the dog outside to releive itself with our being right there with her. And I mean every minute! A bitch can be impregnated by more than one dog making litters unregisterable. (Theoretically: each pup could have a different father!)

Rottweilers mature slowly. They reach physical maturity at 2.5-3 years of age. She should bot be bred before she is mature. At minimum, you also need hip and elbow clearances (OFA's) and eye certifications...uh, that is if you're not a BYB or puppy miller. And a few titles would be welcome as well.

Unspayed females are at risk of both mammary cancer and pyometria. You cut the risk for mammary cancer tremendously if she is spayed prior to her first heat. Pyometria drops to zero.

Will they recognize each other? Yes, they will. They are not stupid. The intellegence of this breed also requires substantial training. Find some classes. Raise good canine citizens that represent the breed well. And reconsider the spay neuter thing.

[Major]

He is asking for heat cycle information. Please stay on topic.

[Javier321]

[quote=SABELLESMOM]No, you definately won't get much support for keeping either animal intact. If you come for answers to your question: What age do heat cycles start? Will they always be going at it? What age, how often and how long? And "please don't recommend spay, neuter"...then expect people to wonder if you're to be the next BYB (back yard breeder) on the block.

Just for the recored breeding the two never even cross my mind so i apologize if it came out or sounded that way,i just wanted to know so me & my friend know when we can have the two play with out them trying to mate thats all.Ive read online and been told that if you spay/neuter it effects the dog's growth and also read Neutering/spaying may diminish your pet's overall activity level, natural tendency to wander, and hormonal balances, which may influence appetite.Then the dog ends up fat & lazy, after one of my friends dogs got Neuter he became fat & lazy and never wanted to notthing the whole day but im saying all dogs that get spay/neuter become this way but i dont want to take the chance for my pup,if anybody wants clear any of this up for me then please feel free im just going with what i read and seen.

once again i apologize for some of they above and i dont want everyone getting bent out shape because of this post, i really like this forum and i dont want to feel unwelcomed here so if anyone can dismissed any of the reasons above im all ears.

[Bucky's Mom]

Originally Posted by Javier321

.Ive read online and been told that if you spay/neuter it effects the dog's growth and also read Neutering/spaying may diminish your pet's overall activity level, natural tendency to wander, and hormonal balances, which may influence appetite.Then the dog ends up fat & lazy, after one of my friends dogs got Neuter he became fat & lazy and never wanted to notthing the whole day but im saying all dogs that get spay/neuter become this way but i dont want to take the chance for my pup,if anybody wants clear any of this up for me then please feel free im just going with what i read and seen.

You can do a search here there is lots of information - here is a start:

http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/sho...=Effect+neuter

[dmoniz]

Originally Posted by Javier321

what im trying to find out is what age,how aften & how long do dogs & bitches have heat cycle for so we know when we can plan playdates for them and when not to and also any other tips that would be helpful.any replys are appreciated

Congratualtions on your pup and welcome! I'm glad to hear that you are willing to learn all you can. The first thing is that only females have heat cycles. Males are ready and will to try ALL the time. It will take training to let him know this is not appropriate behavior. I have a miniture pincsher who I let have one heat cycle. That was all it took for me, there was blood EVERYWHERE and she was only 9 pounds. I got her spayed when she was a year old to avoid anymore cycles, for health reasons and because I had no plans to breed her.

There are some recommendations to wait until the dogs are a little older before spaying and neutering, but it should still be done. My beagle is 6, she was spayed when she was 15 months old. Beagles are prone to laziness and obesity and she is neither. If you are active with your dog then they will remain active. If you let your dog just lie around all the time then they will continue to do so. Weight also is controlled by you, if you feed too much the dog will get fat whether he is neutered or not.

Good luck with your pup, I hope to see pictures soon!

[RottiMomCT]

[quote=Javier321]

Originally Posted by SABELLESMOM

Ive read online and been told that if you spay/neuter it effects the dog's growth and also read Neutering/spaying may diminish your pet's overall activity level, natural tendency to wander, and hormonal balances, which may influence appetite.Then the dog ends up fat & lazy, after one of my friends dogs got Neuter he became fat & lazy and never wanted to notthing the whole day but im saying all dogs that get spay/neuter become this way but i dont want to take the chance for my pup,if anybody wants clear any of this up for me then please feel free im just going with what i read and seen.

Ben was neutered at 10 months of age (when he came to rescue) - he will be six years old in April of this year and shows no signs of slowing down - he if fit and trim at 80 pounds, and we are VERY lazy in terms of training and exercise - I'll admit that.

My sister has a 2 year old Corgi who is as active as she was when she got her at 12 weeks...she's spayed. Her mutt will be 9 in the summer and he's been neutered for the past 6 years - yup, you guessed it, he's a quick one too. that said - when my sister hurt her knee and was unable to walk the dogs on a regular basis - EVERYONE gained weight - including my sister ...

If you have an active dog pre-spay/neuter and don't change the routine post-spay/neuter the dog will not change except for the fact that some 'unneccesary parts' have been removed . Obviously a few days post neuter rest for the boys (up to a week) and a week or two of moderate exercise (no spastic running) for the girls post-spay to avoid complications and you'll be back in shape in no time.

Spay/neuter the dogs - keep them active and feed them enough to keep them healthy and if you notice the dog getting chubby, cut down on food and up the exercise - just like people - you eat too much and don't exercise, you get fat - same rules apply to the dogs.

The spay/neuter = lazy/fat dogs is a myth and a horrid excuse people use all the time.

[rottie597]

Neither of my females slowed down at all after being spayed. After watching my cousin's Golden almost die from pyometra, I am very glad I spayed mine.

[rottcrazed]

Heat cycles are messy, they last anywhere from 15 - 32 days twice a year, and they can attract all kinds of unwanted suitors, so unless your friend is going to have her on a short leash while she is in season, she may have unwanted litters.

Males can have attitudes whether you neuter them or not, but sex drive is a different story. I have seen males (of different breeds) go from friendly, playful one minute, to okay, let's go at it in seconds, for no reason as there was no bitch in season around them. It can be annoying, to say the least. They do tend to wander, and you DO NOT want a loose Rottweiler, friendly or not. They have a stigma and whether you boy is friendly or not, he will be feared if he is alone and looking for love. Be aware of that.

I have two 'fixed' Rottweilers, both are totally active and normal weight as that is more dependant on how much you feed and the amount of exercise they get. They are just as active as the one that is not fixed, and they are older than she is. Your dogs are as active as you want them to be; they are as active as you. If you don't walk them, they will likely get fat. If you want to walk your dog, they will want to go with you - period.

If you were to be active in certain dog sports like schutzhund, obedience or agility, SOME people believe that keeping dogs intact maintains a stronger working drive. Some people have very driven dogs who are fixed. If you are not going to be active in any dog sports, don't worry about it.

Keeping an animal intact because you can is a BIG responsibility, be aware of that. There may come a time that someone comes to your doorstep with a box full of Rott mix puppies that they are claiming to be your dogs' fault. Do a little reading and then make your decision.

Kristi