27 Vet Universities on side with Dodd protocol

[Ilovemypuppy]

NEW!!! VACCINATION PROTOCOL
by Dr. Jean Dodd

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All of the 27 Vet Universities in the US have followed the
immunization protocol as suggested by Dr. Dodd for years.
All of these Hospitals will be changing their Vaccination Programs
apparently. This is welcome news and you should print this out and
take it with you to your Vet should you need reinforcement against
over-vaccination.

VACCINATION NEWSFLASH [CIMDA support] RE; J DODDS VACCINE PROTOCOL

I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in
North America are in the process of changing their protocols for
vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an
ethical & economic challenge to Vets, and there will be skeptics. Some
organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting
vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income
vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics,
traditions, or the doctors economic well-being should not be a factor
in a medical decision.

NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY

Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified
live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces
immunity, which is good for the life of the pet (i.e.: canine
distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given
a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the
antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The
titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced.

Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary,
they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and
immune-mediated haemolytic anemia. There is no scientific
documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of
MLV vaccines.

Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural
protection can last 8 - 14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be
vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize
the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced.
Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, DELAY the timing of the
first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart
SUPPRESS rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of
vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up
to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months
of age (usually at l year 4 mo) will provide LIFETIME IMMUNITY.

[diddybopper04]

That is some of the best news I have heard in a long time.

Way WAY overdue, but better late than never.....

[leonberger]

I was happy when Tufts Vet school told me not to vaccinate for more than one thing at a ttime. A couple of years ago I talked my vet into not forceing me to vaccinate every year and I showed him what I had found out. He even stopped giving his dogs yearly vaccines Now this will help (hopefully) with other vets. My second Rottie had auto immune problems and one of the vets at Tufts said that it was probably caused by vaccines! That was one vet I had a lot of respect for because that was "way" back in 1996! Ever since then I have done my own research, made my own decisions and now this news makes me happy that I started doing things this way so much earlier and now they are giving me that satisfaction of knowing I was right

[Karinka200]

Originally Posted by Ilovemypuppy

VACCINATION NEWSFLASH [CIMDA support] RE; J DODDS VACCINE PROTOCOL....


Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary,
they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and
immune-mediated haemolytic anemia.
.

My dog ended up with a vaccine induced haemolytic anemia.... After the research I did and informing my vet that I no longer wanted annual vaccines, he has made every effort to avoid me. For some reason, I think he believes I will destroy his pracitce. I had informed my SIL, who uses the same vet, of the vaccine issues years ago, and she decided to stop using them as well. Let's just say, I got a "tongue lashing", when I saw him the last time...Needless to say, I see the other vets in the clinic and inform them right away about what i feel is appropriate. That does not mean I am an expert by any means...and I always listen to what they have to say, but now I do my research before and after going in, and only then make a decision. After losing one dog to Rimadyl...and almost losing a second....I learned my lesson the hard way.

I am printing out copies of this to give to relatives....thanks for positng it....

[chivas]

I have always been against overvaccination ( i mean our KIDS dont get vaccinted every year!!!). But what I thought was interesting was when i first started working at a vets about 17 yrs ago, one of the vets there was kinda new ( about 2 yrs out of school) and he told us NOT to vaccinate yearly, while the older ones pushed it every year. I never really found out why he was against it so I dont know if he was taught not to overvaccinate in school or if he used his own judgement but asides from puppy shots and a booster MAYBE every 4-5 yrs (and ONLY if titers are low) - I dont vaccinate. My dogs are 4, 9 and 16 yrs. Not one has ever had a disease that we vaccinate against. And the 16 yr old hasnt had any vaccines save rabies in 6 yrs.

[rottnelmo]

I am THANKFUL for this article....just printed it to give to my step-mom who vaccinates EVERY year.

I titer...then make an informed decision.

[rottsnroses]

Ok, call me a wet towel, but I visited several vet school websites, state veterinary association websites, and the AVMA site. The AVMA site has information on a revised protocol in their 9.15.04 issue, but it is not the same as what is in this thread. On the sites where I could find vaccination protocols, it seems that they have gone to more to what I saw on the AVMA website, but again, I saw nothing on any of them similar to the protocol mentioned in this thread. I even went to the American Association of Veterinary Immunologists website, where surely something this ground breaking would be mentioned. Again, nothing.

The only websites I found this information on were personal websites, which may or may not be sources of reliable information. I would certainly think the sites I visited would have this information out if it were true, but I will call the vet school at UGA tommorrow. It's great news if it is true, but at this point, I personally don't consider this information to be reliable.

[frontierrots]

http://www.dogs4sale.com.au/AAHA_Special_Report.htm

http://www.ivis.org/advances/Infect_...r_frm.asp?LA=1

http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/Bake...pd/d21_frm.asp

Plus there was a very good article on DVM small animal magazine about how vets should not use annual vaccs as a money maker and how to schedule rotating vaccs

[lblax]

Originally Posted by rottsnroses

The only websites I found this information on were personal websites, which may or may not be sources of reliable information.but at this point, I personally don't consider this information to be reliable.

so true i dont think it is reliable info either. by jane dodd stating that all colleges in the usa are in the process simply means that it has been submitted and may or may not even being considered but by being submitted its in the process lol

[MARYDVM]

As always, the debate goes on about vaccination. There is certainly alot of discussion about vaccination going on at all the vet schools, but no blanket policy has been adopted as the OP's article claims.

[Judi W]

Do I confuse easily?
"All of the 27 Vet Universities in the US have followed the
immunization protocol as suggested by Dr. Dodd for years.
All of these Hospitals will be changing their Vaccination Programs
apparently. "

They have been following it for years, and then they will be changing their programs?

I think one must pay attention to the difference between a press release and peer reviewed journal releases.

Jean Dodds has some good information for consideration and many of us have split our vaccines especially in the first generations of the parvo vaccines, but a great deal of her material has never passed peer review or clinical trials. She started out many years ago doing lab work and certifying dogs as to whether they were carriers of VWB. Turned out later that the test was not meaningful and generations of testing worthless. She is now in private practice with her special interest in immune mediated disease and has produced a large body of information especially for those dogs who might have compromised immune systems, however, that does not mean a press release is the real thing. Until practices are in the general population for a period of time, I reserve my judgement.

[frontierrots]

I know at least Colorado State and University of Wisconsin have changed their policies and now follow multi year schedules

[Judi W]

Yes, that is correct, started at CSU several years ago a 3 year schedule dependent upon risk factors, however, not the same as one shot after 6 months good for life as claimed above. With lethal and epidemic disease I think it might be more than a bit unfair to say it is greed, rather than conservative approach to epidemiology. Most here will not remember when there was no vaccine for Parvo and fewer when it was rare for the common pet to have a distemper shot, and I doubt even fewer still will have ever seen a case of distemper. It kills and not very nicely either. Supportive care which can sometimes pull a dog through Parvo, (many many dollars later) is not quite so kind with distemper. It has taken many long years to get the majority of the dog population vaccinated for these diseases which is why they are so uncommon and it becomes quite facile to declare the vaccinations are motivated by greed. Surely if it were greed, they make much more money treating the diseases than they ever do on preventive vaccination.

[chivas]

There will always be controversy concerning vaccinations. I think you need to make an informed decision.
There are studies out that lean towards overvaccination as a possible trigger for some cancers in dogs and it is a FACT that cats can get a vaccination site cancer.
My Chivas had 5 parvo shots and still got parvo. Nothing is 100% effective.
Instead of taking ANYONE's advice as gospel, do research on your own and then make a decision. No one on here is right or wrong concerning vaccinations. Do what is best for your pets and you.
Kim

[lblax]

i would like to add to this thread that being an avid hunter and outdoorsman(who use to trap and hunt fur bearing animals) over the years since the big drive by animal rights activist and the general decline in furs being acceptable the general population of animals that were generally taken for these purposes are on the rise at a fast rate , these animals are disease ridden now because of over population combined with the enchroachmant of man when you go into a woods you see foxes /racoons stagering and falling down from diseases like distemper and god knows what else also the cyote population in our area is ridden with disease.. unfortunatly these animals are the ones that most dogs come in contact with as they come in everyones yard including peoples that live in cities!! as a matter of fact urban instead of rural areas are there area of choice... in everyones push to get rid of or change vaccines that (even though nothing has ever been proven that these cause cancers and such) prevent these terrible diseases in our pets you simply dont see these diseases in our pets because of the years and years of vaccinations through out generations of animals food for thought...
** please dont post studies of vacc. links to cancer as for every study posted one can be posted stating just the opposite and there is no reason to change this thread into a agumant thread that has been hasshed over here a million times