Prong collar not stopping the pulling

[Roscoe's dad]

Another good reason to have the pinch collar correctly sized, is that if it is to long your dog can actually get the collar in her mouth! (The chain part) If this happens and the dog is unatended, you are risking harm to your dog.

[lblax]

To answer your question above, a dog should be at the end of his lead when we build drives.

no one was talking about just going to the end of leash it was pulling on the leash

Or when he's a puppy and making shark-like dashes at a tumbling leaf, only to flip over, get up and try again but this time harder!

No one was talking puppy we were talking older dogs with an already developed bad habit.

When on an evening walk he sees a suspicious person.

not the impression i want my dog to make .

Then there are those dogs who shoot to the end of their lead to strike a show stack. In all these instances, the dog should be ripped with intensity and he can't be if he's worried about that correction that is sure to follow.

these arent the common aspects of a leiserly walk in the park with a dog we keep forgetting alot of people only like to do that sort of thing not having there dogged ripped to intensity???

Raising and training a dog is much like raising and training a child. Allowing them to spread their wings but at the same time teaching them their boundaries. Dogs, like children respect and welcome rules. You know what? Much of what they do is understandable when you look at it from their standpoint. The trick to being a good parent and "trainer" is to not only read the behavior but to find the motivation behind it. Only when you understand something can you move on. (Isn't that true in anything?)

agree 100 % and here is a copy of a section from a web sit (Basics of the Pinch Collar:

The pinch collar is designed to replicate the way the mother would correct her pups in a litter. Or similarly, how the Alpha dog in a pack would correct the subordinate dogs... that is, by giving a "nip" on the neck.

The prong collar (also frequently called the pinch collar) is made of a series of prongs that link together.

Most pinch collars are designed pretty much the same: There is a safety ring which rides next to the dog's neck and a "D" shaped ring that you hook your leash to. Some pinch collar manufacturers have developed "quick release" mechanisms which may work somewhat differently.) well anyway we are basicly all giving opinions here and everyone needs to sort out there own info to use

[Mattweiser]

Originally posted by Lauren Fitzgerald
For people who want the dog to walk on the leash without dragging them all around yet have no intention of ever teaching the dog - then a prong collar is a "crutch." However, when the collar is used in conjunction with teaching (to heel, for instance) then it becomes a tool.

Looks like Lauren explained it very well......


good luck

[RottiMomCT]

Originally posted by dogs rule
BUT, this trainer told me that it was "virtually impossible" to teach an grown dog with this level of ingrained bad habit not to pull. She suggested a gentle leader.

I would love to hear if anyone has a success story where they have taught an older dog NOT TO PULL, without use of a "crutch" and how. Also, I would like to hear what people think is the best "crutch" to use if you are in a situation like mine.

OK...here's a great success story...

One of our dogs, a rescue adopted in November 2000, has a nasty scar from a collar embedded in his neck, so, we used only a nylon choke collar for a regular collar, and a Gentle Leader, but people think the Gentle Leader is a muzzle, and on a dog his size, that's not good, because he's a marshmallow! IF he was walked using only the nylon collar, you'd be on your butt if he wanted you there. He's a big boy, well, HUGE...approx 27 inches tall and about 120 lbs of stubborn Rottie muscle. I put a prong on him, he got TWO corrections, neither of which he liked very much, and helet me know with a grumble from deep in his belly, and after about a week of walking with the prong, we kept the prong on him but had the leash attached to a regular choker, then to the nylon shoke collar, and we are now able to walk him with ANY collar on his neck...no pulling....very nice manners!

My rescue boy started obedience classes on a prong collar as he, at 18 months was a spaz and a puller on lead...no manners, and now we use a combination choke/nylon flat collar...if I'm walking him in an area where he or someone around him could be unpredictable (or weekly walks to a local park where rollerbladers sometimes go) he's on the prong.

Make sure the prong is properly fitted, right up behind the dogs ears....if it slips down the neck or is too loose, it's not doing what it's designed to do.



Two success stories for the price of one... :)

[TrinityRun]

Originally posted by lblax
no one was talking about just going to the end of leash it was pulling on the leash ) No one was talking puppy we were talking older dogs with an already developed bad habit. not the impression i want my dog to make . these arent the common aspects of a leiserly walk in the park with a dog we keep forgetting alot of people only like to do that sort of thing not having there dogged ripped to intensity??? agree 100 % and here is a copy of a section from a web sit (well anyway we are basicly all giving opinions here and everyone needs to sort out there own info to use

Right. Some of us are giving opinions based on experience. Others are not.

Lucky for the original poster it's not difficult to sort out.