has anyone heard of...

[Inga]

Has anyone heard of the Sit means Sit training program? I am not sure if I am understanding it right but someone posted a video on another forum. The lady was walking a Pit Bull around in a dog park with lots of other dogs around and people were so impressed by this dogs attention to owner and the fact that it was obedient. Then I watched what the lady was doing. She had the remote in her hand and the dog was wearing an e-collar.
I am curious as to what other people think about this type of training. I mean sit or I zap, look away or I zap, move to far ahead or behind I zap. It just seemed a bit unfair to the dog. I like a well trained dog as well as the next guy but I also want a dog that wants to work, not does what I say only for fear of being zapped. I also think e collars have their place with training on some dogs. I just cannot help but think if this training really worked then you would no longer need the collar on and the dog would still be following your commands. Training should be with tools until the commands are known and then the tool is no longer needed. IMO So, I am just curious as to what others think about that program or even if they ever heard of it. Thanks for all responses.

[Nishasmom]

I am not too familiar with SMS training; although I recall a few members disagreeing with it. Positive Reinforcement is ALWAYS the best route IMO; its more fair and rewarding. When you have a kid, you reward them for being good; same with a dog.

[brunie's mom]

It's been discussed here a few times. Do a "search" click on the blue bar near the top of the page.
It's not something most members recommend.

Gina

[lblax]

stay away from any off these training facilities and stay away from any of the seminars given by the guy that started this

[Nishasmom]

http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/gen...-deaf-dog.html

http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/gen...-training.html

http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/tra...-concerns.html

a couple threads to get you started .

[kclinch]

Fred Hasson is a complete jerk, who will laugh about having a dog in a crate with an e-collar on it, and a dog on field with an e-collar on. It was a 2-dog collar, and it was set to the wrong dog----he was "correcting" the dog in the crate, not the dog on the field. He laughs about it...thought it was funny that the dog was in the crate screaming.
His method of training is strictly "negative reinforcement", IE, when you do what I say, the "correction" goes away.
Some of the trainers who use this method will argue that they are only "tapping" the dog---much like a clicker, they say....the dog likes it, they say....

Well, here is the scoop on that....negative attention is often better than no attention at all. It sucks for the dog.

Fred Hasson has a video on you-tube where he shows his Mal with an e-collar around the neck and one around the belly, in front of the penis/sheath(not on the penis, but on the belly in front of it.)

He is correcting the dog for improper body position in the rear end(I think it was after a frisbee---I don't know, I couldn't watch it. Once I saw how the individual trained, I stopped watching anything he puts out, can't do it)

It would be so much less stressful on the dog to give the dog a reward, whether food or toy, to be in the correct position.

Mind you, I own e-collars. I use e-collars. I have no problem with them. I have an issue with people whom I consider to be sadistic....

He is also "franchising" out his name---excellent marketing man, I will give him that.

And, there are some dogs that his type of training will work with. I understand that.

Negative Reinforcement is an awesome way to train----IF and only IF you have a dog who can handle it.

Again, don't get me wrong---I use pressure in training. I use compulsion in training. But I temper it with food, toy and verbal praise. And I don't usually start "tapping" a dog for sit, until he actually learns what the word means...

Sorry for the vent, I will put my soapbox back in the closet now.