Good training classes

[Calin]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

Calin...
Ist 2nd off. I have another dog that DOES understand the English grammer I use for certain things, VERY WELL...

Oh, is that so? Then I'd like to meet your magical dog with the human brain. I'm sure some scientists would like to meet her as well since a dog with the ability to understand human language is scientifically impossible.

Can you train a dog to understand cues? Sure. But to understand you while you babble on and on about not peeing on the carpet? Impossible.

Well I of course never said she understood what I was saying but in fact I said she knows when she does something wrong.

No, she doesn't. She only knows that you are upset, so she makes appeasing gestures to you hoping to calm you so you don't pop her on the nose.

If you don't believe me, test it out. Go ahead and be nasty and mean to her for know reason one day. I bet you she makes the same 'I'm sorry' face even though she hasn't done anything wrong.

Also this PART YOU ENDED BY SAYING GO AHEAD AND KEEP POPPING HER. Let's all be adult her.. As I stated she only does this potty in the house thing a few times lately, she rarely has accidents, and she is getting training, I am on this forum for mature helpful advise, not to play trade insults with you.. Go Stick IT!!!
I'm so done with you, How bout you have fun with your immature, rude, uneducated comments and save em...

I'm sorry, but it's sort of a pet peeve of mine when people would rather smack their dogs and bully them into submission because they are too lazy to take the time to understand basic canine psychology.

In fact, people that smack their dogs and bully them into submission are a pet peeve of mine, period. Hey, I just don't much like bullies and abusers. Sue me.

[ArmaniMink]

Shelby, Yeah I undersand the part about her having to hold it so long so I went on line earlier a found a few petcare/dog walkers in my neighborhood. That will help out with her holding it, and the UTI which I never wanther to get ever again. As far as it being MY FAULT when she goes in the house that's a bunch of baloni. I have caught her going pee-pee on her way out the door, and sometimes right after I took her out within a short period of time. During these occasions I thought it was because she went out to pee and squated like she was going and got distracted being nosy and never finished going, so once i bought her back inside and she relaxed that's when she went. As I said she is pretty much a good girl because this behavior is something that has just started since we moved to this new house. I haven't had any of these problems in weeks at the old house, so I figure she's trying to get adjusted and hopefully not marking this new house.. The dog walker will be starting on Monday because she doesn't start on short notice so that's not too bad.

Oh yeah I never bullied my shitzhu he was very easy to dicipline and he was no problem at all, well except pulling things all over the house..LOL . I have an appt. schedled for her with her vet for the UTI and hopefully with the new dog walker comming by at noon she will be alright from now on. Whatchu think//??/

[TrinaJ]

Positive reinforcements is what your dogs needs. Never EVER call her over to you to scald her, she will think that when she comes to you she's in trouble, its as simple as that. If you need to scald her for doing something wrong it MUST be immediate, you MUST catch her in the act and you MUST go to her. You are going to have to teach her that coming to you is FUN FUN FUN and when she comes she gets lots of praise, petting, treats, games etc.

In essence you need to start from scratch, but that will be hard because she is already thinking 'when i come i am in trouble'.

With the peeing....give it 15 minutes after feed then take her to the toilet. If she pees, great!! PRAISE PRAISE and more PRAISE (good dog fido, well done, good dog) dogs are not dumb she will soon learn that she goes outside to pee she's gets praised and you are HAPPY. All this dog wants to do is make YOU happy. But in return you must make her happy also.... As to the fact that you aren't home for 12 hours and she's left alone....well you've been slammed enough for that you dont need me to lecture you on that

Good luck with the recall and keep working with the dog, training doesn't stop just because you aren't at dog school, training is consistent, after all we learn every day so why should it be different for dogs

Trina

[moondog]

Does she have a urinary tract infection? If so, she can't help it. UTI's are VERY painful and the frequent urination is an illness, not a misbehavior.

My dog had a flaming UTI at 9 weeks that lasted almost 3 months. It was very difficult to deal with and I was concerned it would affect her house training on down the road. It didn't. It was hard to constantly have to scoop her up and whisk her outside, but we survived it and once the UTI cleared up, no problems with house training at all.

Don't punish her at all if this is from a UTI. Just whisk her up, take her outside, and praise her to the heavens for going out there. If you punish her in any way, she won't understand it at all because she can't help it at all and all you will have done is drive a stake into the trust between you and her.

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

Shelby, Yeah I undersand the part about her having to hold it so long so I went on line earlier a found a few petcare/dog walkers in my neighborhood. That will help out with her holding it, and the UTI which I never wanther to get ever again. As far as it being MY FAULT when she goes in the house that's a bunch of baloni. I have caught her going pee-pee on her way out the door, and sometimes right after I took her out within a short period of time. During these occasions I thought it was because she went out to pee and squated like she was going and got distracted being nosy and never finished going, so once i bought her back inside and she relaxed that's when she went. As I said she is pretty much a good girl because this behavior is something that has just started since we moved to this new house. I haven't had any of these problems in weeks at the old house, so I figure she's trying to get adjusted and hopefully not marking this new house.. The dog walker will be starting on Monday because she doesn't start on short notice so that's not too bad.

Oh yeah I never bullied my shitzhu he was very easy to dicipline and he was no problem at all, well except pulling things all over the house..LOL . I have an appt. schedled for her with her vet for the UTI and hopefully with the new dog walker comming by at noon she will be alright from now on. Whatchu think//??/

I think having a dog walker come by mid-day will really help you tremendously with housetraining etc. I'm glad you're getting her checked out for that UTI. When puppies eliminate in the house, it generally IS the owner at fault because we weren't watching closely. The fact that she has a UTI could be attributed to her having to hold it for so long for her little bladder. I'm really glad you're taking the advice - it will make your life and your puppy's much easier.

Please also stop "popping" her. There's no reason for that. Puppies need POSITIVE reinforcement as you are seeing now, your girl doesn't want to come to you because you "pop" her. Try using positive methods to get her to listen to you.

[AngelBunny]

If there ever was a RDNer who needed to get herself and her puppy into obed class where the trainer uses positive reinforcement, the OP is the poster child for this need.

The poster would then learn and understand that trainers don't train your dog--they train you to train your dog.

ArmaniMink, please do your confused puppy a big, huge favor. Get yourself and her into class where the trainer has experience with working breeds and uses positive reinforcement. You and your puppy desperately need this.

I suggest you ditch the Petsmart classes because how you're interacting with your puppy isn't the best. A good trainer would have pointed this out to you.

How to find a trainer has been discussed in this forum several times.

You know, if she is leashed to you, it would be impossible for her to be urinating in your home. If your dog or puppy isn't housetrained, the rule is the dog or puppy is never out of your sight and is leashed to you.

[Weily4Life]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

For Weily4Life, Maybe you misunderstood me, I said I take her out again at 6:45 a.m before Ileave because I have put her food down for her after the 5:00 outing. This girl wakes me up regularly at 5:00 a.m, and once I take her out then, I put food in her bowl for her so she eats that and then I take her out at 6:45 a.m before I leave to relieve herself.

ArmaniMink,
I guess I did misunderstand you, I thought in that one post you mentioned feeding her at 6:45 AM before going to work. I missed the other about then taking her out. I apologize.

Back to your OP...PetSmart worked for us when it came to training. But our dogs were not puppies. Fozzy was 4 (we got her at the age of 3), and Greta was 14 months old (got her at 14 months old), when we went to training, so our first class was Beginning Obedience. So I don't know what there program is like for puppies.

But as other posters have said, it is important to continue training at home, which you have started doing great for you. Continue training opportunities daily and frequently every day. Whatever it is they taught you at puppy class. Then when she is old enough take beginning obedience and so on and so on....

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

...it is important to continue training at home, which you have started doing....

Yes, training and practicing at home is important, but only if what you're doing at home in practicing and training are correct.

[Nishasmom]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

During these occasions I thought it was because she went out to pee and squated like she was going and got distracted being nosy and never finished going, so once i bought her back inside and she relaxed that's when she went.

Don't come inside until you are 100% sure she went potty; that should solve that problem

[Weily4Life]

Originally Posted by AngelBunny

Yes, training and practicing at home is important, but only if what you're doing at home in practicing and training are correct.

I agree 100%.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by AngelBunny

If there ever was a RDNer who needed to get herself and her puppy into obed class where the trainer uses positive reinforcement, the OP is the poster child for this need.

I fully agree with this! If the OP is following the class training protocol, the OP needs to find a different trainer.

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

I have caught her going pee-pee on her way out the door, and sometimes right after I took her out within a short period of time. During these occasions I thought it was because she went out to pee and squated like she was going and got distracted being nosy and never finished going, so once i bought her back inside and she relaxed that's when she went.

This is typical of a dog with a urinary tract infection. They have NO control over it and only are able to pee in very small amounts, very frequently.

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

I have an appt. schedled for her with her vet for the UTI.

Originally Posted by AngelBunny

You know, if she is leashed to you, it would be impossible for her to be urinating in your home.

Not so if this puppy has a UTI....they CAN'T hold it, leashed to you or not.

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by moondog

...Not so if this puppy has a UTI....they CAN'T hold it, leashed to you or not.

I understand this.

But, the OP would be Right There, able to scoop her dog up.

Touch wood--none of my dogs, personal or fosters--have ever had a UTI.

I did, once.

OMG.

Dreadful, terrible, awful pain.

[brunie's mom]

This whole thread makes me very sad.
The OP has no clue. Got a nervous shy puppy that had been returned to the breeder because it was too shy in the first home.
Got a puppy when he knew he would be away for 12 hours a day, without making any plans of having the puppy being taken care of in those hours or let out or fed.
Thinks puppy understands that it should not urinate...then calls it over to scold it and "give it a pop".

Taking it supposedly to Petsmart classes twice a week, but has no clue how to treat puppy with positive and rewards training.

Puppy is probably suffering from a UTI, because it is forced to hold urine for too many hours at a time.

What a lonely, life this puppy is having.

You've been given good advice. Get this puppy a dog walker to come over a couple of times per day...so that she can be fed, and allowed to relieve herself and have some social time.

You would have been far better adopting an adult dog that did not mind staying the day alone, and did not need so much work as a puppy.

Gina

[Weily4Life]

As in another post, if the OP was following protocol in the class, she needs to go elsewhere for training.

I am inexperienced with trainers and classes. As PetSmart was the only place that I knew of. It sounds like I was lucky at PetSmart. BTW we had a lot of one on one time because there were only four dog/owner pairs in the class, and the trainer was able to correct us when we made mistakes.

I want to further our training. So, how would I know a good trainer and class.

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

I want to further our training. So, how would I know a good trainer and class.

Good for you for wanting to further your and your dog's training!

My Rottie rescue group has a listing of trainers adopters of our dogs have worked with and liked. Perhaps Rottie rescue in your area offers a similar service. Check their website. If you don't see a listing, email the group.

Check the AKC's site for obed clubs in your area.

Ask your vet for recommendations. Call other vets, dog groomers, and kennels. Ask at your humane society. Our HS runs various classes and workshops.

Good luck! It's great to see an owner interested in training.

Ideally, you want a trainer who's had experience in training working dogs and uses positive reinforcement.