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[ArmaniMink]

Well I guess we have to have this conversation AGAIN, because before I stated that I am alone and that was the purpose of me getting a dog. Second there are no neighbors to come by, I don't know them yet. I feed her three times a day because at night and ya might not like it, when I put her in the kennel the last time I put food in her bowl which is the last feeding and she is usually finish eating it by time I wake up in the morning, and releases it at 5:00 a.m. As far as the puppy pads that's why i stopped using them because she would shred them up anyways and still wouldn't use the bathroom on them at all. I feel so bad about the UTI so maybe I will figure something else out. But I doubt if there are any other solutions because I live alone.

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

Well I guess we have to have this conversation AGAIN, because before I stated that I am alone and that was the purpose of me getting a dog. Second there are no neighbors to come by, I don't know them yet. I feed her three times a day because at night and ya might not like it, when I put her in the kennel the last time I put food in her bowl which is the last feeding and she is usually finish eating it by time I wake up in the morning, and releases it at 5:00 a.m. As far as the puppy pads that's why i stopped using them because she would shred them up anyways and still wouldn't use the bathroom on them at all. I feel so bad about the UTI so maybe I will figure something else out. But I doubt if there are any other solutions because I live alone.

What about a reputable dog walker? I doubt that there are NO solutions. It's up to YOU to figure it out. Maybe you should have gotten an older dog then who can hold it longer. It's not fair that she has to suffer with a UTI because you didn't do your homework.

Hire a dog walker and have them stop by mid day. I can't believe you're feeding her that late, then expecting her to hold that all night after eating.

[Weily4Life]

ArmaniMink,

You say you feed her @ 6:45 before going to work. It doesn't sound like you give her a chance to potty after eating. There are many times when my two girls, ages 8-1/2 and 5, need to releave themselves within 30-40 minutes after their meal.

Training includes all aspects of a dogs needs. I agree that it is important to find someone that can come over mid day to provide food and fresh water than take your little one out to potty.

[ArmaniMink]

Yeah I think I will lokkk into the dog walking personel. That's a darn good idea. Your right I didn't research that part because i had a shitzhu before and he was a puppy as well and he had no problems during the day when I put him in the bathroom while I was at work and he used the bathroom on the training pads throughout the day no problem so I just figured I could do the same thing with the rottie until she proved me different and started tearing the pads apart. Your right it's not fair for her to suffer with UTI. as far me feeding her that late, she only gets a small amount and holding it from 11:00pm to 5:00 is not totally awful, she does just fine with that part. I have to disagree, because she's not even locked in the kennel over night and she has NO accidents at all. I mean ome things we will all disagree about and that's fine bu some things are just different period depending on your situation. Thanks for the advice, I will look into the dog walking thing right now.

[Nishasmom]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

She is starting to listen, but I think sometimes my tone may throw a wrench in her decision to come, especially after she has done something wrong like pee in the house on the way outside for her walk.

You shouldn't use commands in a negative way when you are teaching them. If she comes, there should always be some sort of reward!!

Example...you call your dog to come so you can leave the park; before you actually "leave" maybe play a short game while on the leash. Rotties are smart dogs, you don't want them to learn " if I come, the fun ends"

If you call her inside for bed, give her a treat and some love first. If not it will seem like coming inside when called = bed time

Good luck!!

[ArmaniMink]

yeah that's true. But what if I'm calling her to dicipline her for peeing in the house. Am I supposed to use a positive voice then once she gets over to me pop her for doing that? Then she will be confused and think I'm calling her to pop her. I want her to know the difference in when I'm calling her for somerhing positive she did as well as when I'm calling her because she did something bad. But all in all I want her to come regardless of what she thinks is going to happen afterwards. How do I do that?

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

yeah that's true. But what if I'm calling her to dicipline her for peeing in the house. Am I supposed to use a positive voice then once she gets over to me pop her for doing that? Then she will be confused and think I'm calling her to pop her. I want her to know the difference in when I'm calling her for somerhing positive she did as well as when I'm calling her because she did something bad. But all in all I want her to come regardless of what she thinks is going to happen afterwards. How do I do that?

What do you mean call her over if she did something bad? If she had an accident and you didn't catch her in the act, calling her over to the spot will do you no good. You should never, ever call her over to you to punish her.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

But what if I'm calling her to dicipline her for peeing in the house. Am I supposed to use a positive voice then once she gets over to me pop her for doing that?

ABSOLUTELY NOT! You should not be calling her to you EVER to discipline her for ANYTHING. If you need to correct her for something, then you go to HER, not the other way around.

As for correcting an accident in the house. NO! If you catch her in the act, then you can whisk her out the door to finish outside, but never, never, NEVER correct her for an accident that has already happened. She has no idea why you're correcting her.....a correction needs to happen within 1-3 seconds for the dog to understand what it's for.

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

Then she will be confused and think I'm calling her to pop her.

No, she won't be confused, she will be exactly right - you are calling her to you to pop her. If you knew someone was going to do that to you, would you go? I wouldn't. If you want her to come when called, then make sure coming when called is a happy, rewarded experience for her - otherwise, why should she come at all?

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

I want her to know the difference in when I'm calling her for somerhing positive she did as well as when I'm calling her because she did something bad. But all in all I want her to come regardless of what she thinks is going to happen afterwards.

How do I do that?

You don't. NEVER call her to you for punishment. EVER.

[ArmaniMink]

For Weily4Life, Maybe you misunderstood me, I said I take her out again at 6:45 a.m before Ileave because I have put her food down for her after the 5:00 outing. This girl wakes me up regularly at 5:00 a.m, and once I take her out then, I put food in her bowl for her so she eats that and then I take her out at 6:45 a.m before I leave to relieve herself.

Shelby/ Moondog
Because most of the time she doesn't have accidents in the house, and this is something she has done just a few times lately. I have been able to catch her in the act o squating to pee, and when I yell at her to stop her she runs away. This is what I mean, and when I try to call her over or bring her over to the spot to show her and say "no" she won't come. While I undrstand why she won't come of course I was just simply asking is there a better way to get her to understand that she has done something wrong. Indeed I know she knows because once I catch her and I say attt nooo she will stop and then run off, and when I'm talking to her afterwards she will lokk away really sad like saying I'm msooo sorry I did that the entire time I'm talking to her face to face saying no,, do not pee on the carpet, or whatever I'm saying to her about it.. Even if I'm just talking normally saying why you do that she will be looking so sad, until I resume my norma voice and then she will start jumping around and licking me again. But I'm sure she already knows when she's done something wrong right then and there because of how she looks when she does it, and the fact that she takes of runnign and hides. Same way with kids. Oh yeah and a far as he popping I sure do dicipline her when I catch her doing something wrong, I simply pop her on the nose and tell her "NO" I usually don't have a problem with her repeating the same thing again after I do this. Some of your techniques may be different but popping works with me and has with every dog I have had. I'm not literally punching her or anything at all hard, just a simple pop. Also I will try the whole going over to her thing when she does something wrong instead of calling her over. That does actually make more sense anyway. That way she WILL associate me calling her to something positive all the time. Thanks a bunch again, but I'm sure you will be hearing from me quite often. No one I know has any real idea of how to properly train/ care for a dog, they just do what comes to mind outside of the shots and grooming everything else is pretty much learned as they go along. That's what I have you guys for so my rottie will be different. Thanks again.
Until next time. Uhh next question/concern that is...

[Calin]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

I have been able to catch her in the act o squating to pee, and when I yell at her to stop her she runs away. This is what I mean, and when I try to call her over or bring her over to the spot to show her and say "no" she won't come.

This is a waste of time. Quit doing it. She will never understand what you mean when you 'want to show her what she did.' The only thing you will accomplish here is making her afraid to pee in front of you which will make potty training even HARDER.

If she has an accident in the house, blame yourself. Not the dog. Don't discipline her because she had to relieve herself. It's a natural bodily function and for you to yell at her will only confuse her. The next time you catch her peeing in the house, take her outside, give her a treat if she finishes, and then *smack yourself* because if you were watching her closely enough, it would not have happened.

While I undrstand why she won't come of course I was just simply asking is there a better way to get her to understand that she has done something wrong.

If you don't get to her within 3 seconds of her doing something undesirable, THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE HER UNDERSTAND SHE DID THE WRONG THING.

*Smack yourself* for not being quicker.

Indeed I know she knows because once I catch her and I say attt nooo she will stop and then run off, and when I'm talking to her afterwards she will lokk away really sad like saying I'm msooo sorry I did that the entire time I'm talking to her face to face saying no,, do not pee on the carpet, or whatever I'm saying to her about it..

Are you so silly that you think your dog understands English and if you give her a good talking to, she will totally understand you?

Ridiculous. Your dog only knows that you are upset. She has no idea why and you are wasting your breathe trying to explain it to her LIKE SHE'S AN ADULT HUMAN AND NOT A DOG.

Even if I'm just talking normally saying why you do that she will be looking so sad, until I resume my norma voice and then she will start jumping around and licking me again. But I'm sure she already knows when she's done something wrong right then and there because of how she looks when she does it, and the fact that she takes of runnign and hides. Same way with kids. Oh yeah and a far as he popping I sure do dicipline her when I catch her doing something wrong, I simply pop her on the nose and tell her "NO" I usually don't have a problem with her repeating the same thing again after I do this. Some of your techniques may be different but popping works with me and has with every dog I have had. I'm not literally punching her or anything at all hard, just a simple pop. Also I will try the whole going over to her thing when she does something wrong instead of calling her over. That does actually make more sense anyway. That way she WILL associate me calling her to something positive all the time. Thanks a bunch again, but I'm sure you will be hearing from me quite often. No one I know has any real idea of how to properly train/ care for a dog, they just do what comes to mind outside of the shots and grooming everything else is pretty much learned as they go along. That's what I have you guys for so my rottie will be different. Thanks again.
Until next time. Uhh next question/concern that is...

Go ahead and keep 'popping her' then. She will learn nothing but to fear you. Have fun with your fearful, untrained, dog who goes potty in the house!

Ugh. Poor thing.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

I have been able to catch her in the act o squating to pee, and when I yell at her to stop her she runs away. This is what I mean, and when I try to call her over or bring her over to the spot to show her and say "no" she won't come.

While I undrstand why she won't come of course I was just simply asking is there a better way to get her to understand that she has done something wrong.

She already understands you are unhappy or she wouldn't be ceasing to pee when you say "Ahhh! No!", so no need for further correction. What I would do is, first of all, work on your "come" command separately...and reward it highly. Then, when you catch her in the act of peeing on the carpet, give her your "Ahhh! No!" immediately followed by "(her name) Come!" and run outside with her so she can finish her pee outside. When she does, make sure you praise her highly and give her a treat for being such a smart puppy!

[Andy Larrimore]

If you live near GreenBelt try checking out LIBERTY CANINE. Contact Butch Henderson. He is knowledgeable about the breed and is a VERY good trainer who competes internationaly with many of his dogs.

I bet your dog does not stay either. this is why he does not come. A dog that will not stay will not come and vis versa. Your dog should be consistant with staying under distraction before the recall is ever taught.

[Shelby427]

This puppy is already shy and timid. Popping her on the nose is do nothing but teach her that you are something to be feared. Having a shy/timid dog in fear will cause a bite to happen. This can also turn into fear aggression. When your dog is upwards to 80lbs, and you smack her on the nose, she may have had enough and will bite you. But then, it's your fault. Maybe you can bully your small shitzhu, but probably not a rottie. Different dogs have different needs.

Like the above poster said, she doesn't get English, all this talking you're doing is a waste of time. She doesn't know what you're talking about.

When you catch her in the act of peeing in the house, take her out even if she's still going. Of course she'll run away if you're yelling at her. Again, at 4 months, it's YOUR fault she had an accident in the house, you weren't watching close enough and now that it's pretty evident that she has a UTI, she can't help it. But the UTI can be caused from her having to hold it for SO long.

[ArmaniMink]

Calin...
Ist off let's start by saying I am far from silly and your comment regarding that was a bit rude ad un called for. Let me say this to you.. As far as your advise, very much on point... but the fact that you must think that just because you use rude sarcastic gestures to point out certain things is a waste of time as well as what your saying I'm doing to my dog.. Ist 2nd off. I have another dog that DOES understand the English grammer I use for certain things, VERY WELL... okay so BACK OFF... Well I of course never said she understood what I was saying but in fact I said she knows when she does something wrong. Also this PART YOU ENDED BY SAYING GO AHEAD AND KEEP POPPING HER. Let's all be adult her.. As I stated she only does this potty in the house thing a few times lately, she rarely has accidents, and she is getting training, I am on this forum for mature helpful advise, not to play trade insults with you.. Go Stick IT!!!
I'm so done with you, How bout you have fun with your immature, rude, uneducated comments and save em...

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMink

Calin...
Ist off let's start by saying I am far from silly and your comment regarding that was a bit rude ad un called for. Let me say this to you.. As far as your advise, very much on point... but the fact that you must think that just because you use rude sarcastic gestures to point out certain things is a waste of time as well as what your saying I'm doing to my dog.. Ist 2nd off. I have another dog that DOES understand the English grammer I use for certain things, VERY WELL... okay so BACK OFF... Well I of course never said she understood what I was saying but in fact I said she knows when she does something wrong. Also this PART YOU ENDED BY SAYING GO AHEAD AND KEEP POPPING HER. Let's all be adult her.. As I stated she only does this potty in the house thing a few times lately, she rarely has accidents, and she is getting training, I am on this forum for mature helpful advise, not to play trade insults with you.. Go Stick IT!!!
I'm so done with you, How bout you have fun with your immature, rude, uneducated comments and save em...

But it's YOUR fault! She has a UTI! She can't help it! How would you feel is you were sick and you couldn't hold it and you got popped when you did?