HE is a BIG POOP!

[Judi W]

Here is a method I use with small puppies, don't know why you can't try it with an older dog.

First of all back of the "big fight" and switch to the "jolly routine". He'll think you are crazy, that's OK. Look at him, laugh, clap your hands, say "my gosh, what have you here?" and then (here comes my secret) take a big bit of your own spit on your finger and wipe it onto his nose. He'll HAVE to lick his nose. Can't help it. When he opens his jaw to lick his nose, you say "out" still with the happy jolly voice............... I would make a really big game out of this for a while. Not every battle is won with force, some are won by stealth.

[luvarott]

You are reinforcing his behavior by making a game of it (to his mind anyway ).
You have done all the preliminary object exchanges right? You need to do that with many different objects before he generalizes the command.
You CAN pry anything out of his mouth on first attempt by holding the object with one hand and with the other hand under his jaw slide your thumb and middle finger into his mouth, sliding his lips up to pinch them on his back teeth as you say OUT. Not comfortable for the dog,he will startle and release pressure on the object and then you praise for a good OUT.

[rottmommie]

thanks, i will try them both!!!! the spit thing is gross.....heheh ,maybe that is why it works. I have done the command with all of his favorite things, and some of my favorite things....I think he knows darn well what he is to do, he just doesnt want to !!!

[Joanne in NJ]

I do the lips folded over the teeth routine with my male doberman. Usually over dirty bathroom tissues. Euuuu what IS it with them & tissues.

If we have to stand there all day, I'm getting that tissue. It used to take 5 or 10 minutes, now he'll give his "prize" up right away.

[rottmommie]

WEEEElllllllll the spit didnt work, just made him ornery!!! He did look at me funny, then tried to make it known that I could wipe anything I want on his nose, and he wouldnt give it up....then lip thing DID work. (maybe I should try catsup, instead of spit???)

[Vicki]

You may need to back up and teach an interim command "trade". Get some liverwrust and cut a few little pieces. Give the toy, then hold out the liverwrust. I clicker train, so I'd click when he dropped the toy, but if you don't clicker train just say good dog and reinforce the behavior. After you've done it a few times and you KNOW he's going to drop that toy for the liverwrust, say "trade". You keep working on this with intermittent reinforcement. When that is down pat, have him just drop the item rather than give it to you. This will be the "drop" or whatever command you use.

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[rottmommie]

I love liverwurst...I will have to get some!!!

[rottmommie]

having more trouble with the OUT or OPEN command lately, he just dont wanna give it up!!! I ALWAYS win, but it shouldnt take so long to win!!!!! CANT pry it open!!!! he will hang on even when i pick it up and him with it!!!!!! I have to GET NASTY!!!!! any special games or trainings I can do with him??? he gives me his treats. just not things like wrenches, socks, mittens, pipes, and weird stuff that he has no use for....

[LisaMD]

I think I will try the spit thing. I see it confusing him enough to inspect and drop what he has. Plus, I just sorta in an onree sort of way, would like to see what would happen. If it works that would be great. My problem is that when he gets ahold of something,I give him the command to drop it (includes a hand signal), he understands these commands. I know he understands them because when I say it he hurries his best to choke it down before I get my hands on him to pry it out. I can't even say the things this little endless pit has eaten. From dirty bathroom tissues to dirty clothes (underwear mostly) YUCKY!! My first Rottie had the same exact problem. I agree, I don't have a clue as to break him of that. I guess it will just take time.


LisaMD

[rottmommie]

geez and they can be so damn cute when they wanna be!!!!! UNDERwear is the worst, followed by socks!

[LisaMD]

I tried the spit on the nose thing last night. Didn't work for me either. I didn't even get a reaction. I did do the thumb and middle finger menover, worked!! Only that it was still a fight. A big race, to see if he can choke it down before I can remove it. My first Rottie, one night while she was a young pup, she ate an entire scrunchi, WHOLE. Didn't even tear it to shreads first. Then threw it up next to me while I was a sleep. I was so shocked to see the size of the object this baby pup had inhaled. Last weekend, my new pup Leo, ate one of my husbands prized posessions. It was a poster that was autographed by my hubby's favorite band and it was in a poster container too, Yep, Leo got it and needless to say my hubby was livid. I am used to it now after two years you learn you need to keep your stuff picked up-way up. My husband never understood how I felt when his pups would destroy my belongings-prized ones also. Now he knows!! All he could do was pout, cause it wasn't Leo's fault. I'm not saying it was funny but, with all the headache I have gone through, I think he should have one too once in a while. It's like the pups just ate my stuff.

[rottmommie]

tell ya what, now when i want something and I grab at his lips to put them over his teeth, he lets go.....it must really bug him. when he lets go I tell him good boy!!! lots of praise, then the object disappears....

[luvarott]

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Don't just work this exercise on objects that have to disappear....work it on something that you can give right back to him. Make it a game!! Give AND Take It....will make for a better quicker response when there is some forbidden object that has to be given up immediately...cus dog will be conditioned to think that the faster he gives he maybe might get it back!!

[lunarrose]

Thank you for this question. Saydee has just started to do this again. I think it's because we have had a lot of people in our home and so much stuff on the table and floor. She loves kids they leave all kinds of stuff around She was doing really will on the give before the holidays.