are they close to banning rottweilers in england?Rottweiler kills one-year-old

[kelking]

In todays newpaper

Rottweiler kills one-year-old

A SCREAMING baby boy was savaged to death by a relative’s rottweiler yesterday.
The crazed pet pounced as the one-year-old played in a garden.
Doctors battled in vain to save the tot after he was rushed to hospital with horrific injuries.
Last night his distraught family were being comforted by specially-trained cops.
The dog was put down hours after the 3.30pm horror in Wakefield, West Yorks.
Last night the tiny victim had not been named.
Police probing the attack said: “Officers attended and the dog was destroyed in order to ensure the safety of others at the address.”
The shocking incident echoes the death of Ellie Lawrenson, who was mauled by her uncle’s illegal pitbull a year ago.
The five-year-old was killed in the early hours of New Year’s Day while she was staying with her grandparents in Eccleston, St Helens.
The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 bans just four types of dog including pit bulls and Japanese tosas – but not rottweilers.

A MUM saw her newborn girl mauled to death in her cot by the family’s rottweiler.
The pet sank its fangs into the tot’s head, shaking her like a rag doll.
The screaming mum begged neighbours to help in Pakenham, near Melbourne, Australia.
The dog was put down.

people are writing into the papers asking for the law to be changed
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Why do people continue to keep dangerous dogs when they have children he law needs to be changed to stop more innocent children being mauled and injured

i think soon rottweilers may be banned here in england which i hope to god its not true!!
a few people have asked me why i have a rottweiler with my children.

[darren-uk]

Dog kills baby | Rottweiler mauls one-year-old | The Sun |HomePage|News

That photo has to be the worst photo shop job ive ever seen. As for the sun, there the biggest joke ever. Whenever there is a rottweiler attack they are the first to be calling for a ban.

' A seven-year-old girl had carried the boy into the yard of his grandparents’ home to stroke the family pet when the attack happened '

When will they call for a ban on idiots raising uneducated kids?

[Askari]

Typical Sun article: written to stir. My local South African news site carried a much more sensible reporting of the incident

Rottweiler kills baby boy: World: News: News24

[kelking]

Potentially aggressive breeds:

Llasa Apso: can be cranky with kids

Toy poodles: bite out of self defense

Dachsunds: not very patient

Rhodesian Ridgebacks: very dominant breed

Miniature Pinschers: "big dog" mindset in little body

Pekinese: intolerant

Chihuahuas: prefer adults, not tolerant of kids

Chow Chow: one-person dogs, bite without warning

Giant Schnauzers: very dominant breed, will even challenge adults

Old English Sheep Dog: very protective of owner

Cocker Spaniel: very protective of owner

Rottweilers: very protective

Typically gentle breeds that have "bad boy" reputations:

German Shepherd: great with kids

Bulldog: gentle, playful

Rottweilers: can be gentle, affectionate

Great Danes: gentle, affectionate

Boxers: good with kids

Mastiffs-very docile


The Proper Way to Approach an Unfamiliar Dog:

First, get the "okay" from the owner.

Hold out your hand, fingers closed, palm down, slowly toward the dog. Allow the dog to approach your hand and sniff it.

Wait for the dog's "okay". If he wants your affection, he will lower his head, perk ears, or even come closer to you. If the dog puts his ears back, flat on his head, or growls, or cowers, don't pet him.

Pat the dog on the top of his head, or along his back. Avoid touching his belly, tail, ears, or feet.


According to a 27-year study of dogs in the New York City area made by Dr. Robert Oleson, of the U.S. Public Health Service, these are the 9 dogs most apt to take a nibble out of a human being. They are, in the order of their aggressiveness:


1. German shepherd

2. Chow chow

3. Poodle

4. Italian bulldog

5. Fox terrier

6. Mixed chow chow

7. Airedale

8. Pekingese

9. Mixed German shepherd

[JoJo]

No matter how you slice it, a child was killed. Killed because of poor training, socialization and temperament! When are people going to wake up and start being responsible. Responsible for their lack of knowledge, lack of parenting and lack of plain old common sense!!! This absolutely infuriates me. A poor innocent child had to suffer for "someones" negligence. Damn the dog. He deserves to be PTS. When people start paying attention to what a proper bred rottweiler is and raise them properly all this BS will stop. Remember, A ROTTWEILER IS NOT FOR EVERYONE!! It seems the fools are the ones that are rushing to get a Rottie and they don't have the first clue of what a rottweiler is. It's these same fools that are going to make it where I won't be able to own my breed of choice. DAMN DAMN DAMN. I'm tired of hearing about innocent children being killed! I'm sick of it.

[Inga]

I also am sick of hearing about innocent children being bit or killed. I am sick of hearing of people who allow small children to play with dogs without being supervised by an adult. I am sick of hearing of Rottweilers or any breed for that matter that is being kept outside and then attacks a child that lives in the house and everyone acts shocked. How could this happen? Could it be lack of socialization of the dog? Everyone wants to scream that it is the bad dog. Where is the responsibility of the people. The owner of the dog, the parents of the child, the care giver? This is tragic and it should have been avoided. I think more education needs to be available for proper dog ownership. Regardless of breed or even size of the dog for that matter. A Chihuahua could deliver an unimaginable amount of damage to an infant as well. People need to think! I am so sad for this poor baby and for his parents. He was a cute little fella. Makes me so sad.

[rtwu]

when im away from home i tell the wife watch the kid with the dogs!
2 r0tts
the child killed was not properly supervised
although does anyone know what triggers a rott to maul especially children?

[janinetj]

The child was being cared for by a 16 year old whom was also caring for a 6 and a 7 year old, 16 year old was upstairs whilst the children were downstairs! the 7 year old took the baby out into the yard to stroke the dog of which was kept out in the yard!! this dog had only been owned by the family for a few months!. In my opinion an inocent child has lost his life and a dog destroyed all down the improper care of the child and the dog! sigh when will people learn.

[peterbann]

glad people all stand together. Most dog owners have the common sense to realise that a rottweiler is just a dog, just like everyother dog out there but due to their size etc, they need exercise and discipline. People get them to guard their homes but the dog ends up bouncing round the back yard, all that pent up energy isn't good but these idiots don't realise.
As for a ban, thats very unlikely. There's too much support for rottweilers and thank god the majority of people realise its down to the owners. Maybe a good idea would be some kind of licence, maybe the breeders themselves could have a responsibilty to check up on the pups every 12 months? We need to stop complete idiots buying rotties and any other powerful breed dog for that matter.
As for the general public, i hope they realise the scum newspaper is crap anyway. They call for a ban all the time, does this mean the next time a white or a black man murders someone we'll call for the race to be banned.
People need educating but it makes me so so angry because people just see the breed, before they see an animal and a dog. Can't expect a dog to differenciate between a play toy and a young child.What they don't report is that the 7 year old could have been saying 'here are, stroke the dog etc', dog thinking it was a toy took it, trying to pull it away from the dog the dog just thinks you're playing and pulls again etc etc.

Anyway, thank god for sites like these, kennels clubs etc. The breed has again been let down by incompotent owners.

[peterbann]

Originally Posted by rtwu

when im away from home i tell the wife watch the kid with the dogs!
2 r0tts
the child killed was not properly supervised
although does anyone know what triggers a rott to maul especially children?

they don't maul children mate. its the way the papers say it 'savage attack, ferocious etc etc'. The kid could have been picked up by the head i heard somewhere and put down by its kennel. surely that would be enough to cause damage. Look at some of the toys dogs can play with, how can they differenciate between a doll, a child, a toy etc.

The dog was probably never walked, stood in the back yard 'to guard' and just fills up with pent up energy. a rotty isn;t triggered to maul or attack children. Should never leave any dog with young kids.

[russell]

We have to acknowledge the tragedy of the event. That is without question. However when you look at the circumstances, surrounding the event?

1. A relatively new dog in an unsecure environment
2. An un-educated minor in terms of dog behaviour(7 years old) taking a baby into the unsecured area.
3. How well did the dog know the 7 year old?
4. How well did the baby sitter know the dog
5. How did the baby sitter leave the area unsecure. ( In Australia, if this had been a pool area that was unsecured the owners of the house would be charged with culpable homicide. Indicative that dog enclosures should be likewise defined.)

All of the above point a very blunt finger back at the owners of the dog.

A good friend of mine who is a dog trainer and handler quoted me the other day that as long as human beings interface with animals (not just dogs) then there will always be injuries, and there will always be fatalities. As responsible breeders we should ensure that all new owners, and for that matter previous owners are in posession of a behavioural manual which educates them and the people around them, what to expect and what to accept and likewise what not to accept.

I have not been into breeding for as long as my wife has( some 20 years now), however whenever we sell a puppy to a new home, the process is somewhat like a job interview. Potential owners are 'vetted and screened' for suitability and compatability. We have a 'puppy book' that gives a guidelines on diet training and behaviour and we insist that the dog is obedience trained to a minimum standard.Basically one step away from a license to operate a dog.

Don't ban the dog. Ban the owners or make them have a license to operate.

You can't drive a car without a license or insurance or an MOT/ roadworthy certificate?

[russell]

The dog in Australia has not been PTS yet. Police are waiting forensic results. There would appear to be some alleged disparity between the marks on the child versus the pattern of the dog's teeth. (all of the above written without prejudice of course) We have five Rotties at home.

[Obelix]

Stories like this one once again proves the necessity of a certain way of controll on who can /or can be entitled to own a Rottweiler(or any other dog.).In Françe it became so far ,caused by incidents like this one .It only concerns dogs belonging to 2 categories.(presumed to be "dangerous dogs").An owner will have to prove if he can handle his dog in very different sitations and at the same time, the dog is evaluated concerning the social behaviour.If it fails for the test the dog will be taken by the governement and will be PTS,without any delay .The evaluation will be done by vets and behaviourist.Is this worse than BSL,is this BSL?I believe that ,as owners of a breed ,named dangerous and so know by the vast majority of the public, we have to tolerate some sort of control by the gov. to avoid a total ban ot the breed.Irresponsable owners will be unable to keep dogs from certain breeds,uneducated and/or agressive dogs will be taken from the street etc..I believe if the clubs will co-operate with the gov. it can be a benefit for the breed and the responsable owners.I am sure that the usual b....sh.. will follow now ,but a litlle limitation of our personal freedom in exchange for several chidren's life's can be accepted.This is my personal feeling but, when I see what happens all around, I do stronly believe that in a few years we won't have a choice.

[JonandMichelle]

Originally Posted by kelking

The Proper Way to Approach an Unfamiliar Dog:


Pat the dog on the top of his head, or along his back. Avoid touching his belly, tail, ears, or feet.

Actually, you should never pet a dog on the top of his head or along his back. When you are petting a dog, you should always go under the dogs chin, never over the head as this can be seen as an act of aggression or domination.

To answer the OP question, yes I think the Rottweiler is in serious danger in England. The Rottweiler is in serious danger all over the world, and England is no exception to this fate. I also think those who "think" BSL will not likely hit the Rottweiler in their states, countries, ect. is merely closing and turning a blind eye to ignorance. It is all fun and games until it is too late. Yes, there are papers who eat baby killings, maulings, tragic bite stories up. The news media make their money by putting spins on these stories because it sells; however, while their out selling papers by using scare tactics your representatives are using this as ammo to "save the people" by making a name for themselves by banning or even killing innocent dogs. It is a cycle being played out in many cities and countries over and over, and IF for a minute...a minute it will or can not happen to your dog, in your country then a reality check must be given. The time to act is now, before it happens to insure it doesn't happen because blind luck and wishing it wont happen will not stop it from happening.

[RyanK9]

It is my understanding that the Govt has no plans to ban the Rottweiler breed. Despite some rank bad reporting, it is becoming more apparent that the tide of opinion at Govt level is not to ban breeds. It's got to be said though that owners do need to be held accountable for their actions in order that the vast majority of responsible owners do not get punished for the negligent actions of a minority.