Bullet Meant For Dog Kills 'Owner'

[Casey Jones]

Wow. that's all i can say is Wow.

WADESVILLE, Ind. -- Police said a southeastern Indiana woman chasing her dog was fatally shot by a neighbor after the dog ran through the neighbor's property.

Nicole Stroud, 29, of Wadesville was pronounced dead Thursday at Deaconess Hospital in Evansville.

When deputies arrived at the scene, they found Stroud in the backyard, surrounded by onlookers as volunteer firefighters performed CPR.



Officers arrested Linda Lindauer on preliminary charges of involuntary manslaughter and reckless homicide in Stroud's death.

Police said Lindauer apparently was trying to shoot the dog. Instead, the bullet struck Stroud, who was visiting her grandmother's home for the day.

11/23/07: Bullet Meant For Dog Kills Owner - Louisville News Story - WLKY Louisville

[AlphaLeader]

If she's that quick to grab a gun, lets be thankful she is in jail... hope she stays there and never breeds.

ssshhhesszzzzz...

Can you imagine? That poor woman was just visiting her grandmother.

I am waiting for something like this to happen where I live as it is perfectly okay to shoot any dog that is after your livestock... and a lot of dogs are killed that have no intention of even looking at the livestock.

[Necie]

That woman should not be allowed to own a firearm! :( She's a menace to all responsible firearm owners. But that's a whole other topic. <mad>

I own chickens. I own a dog. My neighbor owns dogs that would LOVE to get my chickens. (They have gotten two.) My chickens are in a coop and fenced-not free range (all over the property). We went round and round for quite awhile and I finally called animal control to give him a warning-KEEP YOUR DOGS ON YOUR PROPERTY AND UNDER CONTROL. (He has a 60+ lb lab female and a 100+ lb lab x boxer or bull?? male-neither had collars, kept kenneled outside-NO training and NO manners.) This has seemed to work so far. They have gotten loose twice in 6 months, but he now has collars on them and TRIES to keep them home. I have also told him if they are let loose to run and come over and kill chickens, that if I get ahold of them, they will be locked in my car til he pays me $50-or I will call animal control again and he can pay them to get them out of doggie jail! Shooting them would be my last resort-though well within my rights. My Grandpa regularly shoots coyotes and dogs-feral and otherwise (and sometimes it's hard to tell the difference :( ). He owns a farm (about 400 acres) and left unchecked these animals do much damage to livestock. BTW-his farm dog is a rottie. :)

What this woman did is completely unsafe firearm practice and totally EXTREME. I hope she's punished accordingly.

[Sasha's Mom]

I think that something needs to be done about the gun legislation in the US....it's just way too easy to grab a gun or a rifle and shoot.

[frontierrots]

Originally Posted by Sasha's Mom

I think that something needs to be done about the gun legislation in the US....it's just way too easy to grab a gun or a rifle and shoot.

I totally disagree.

What I think we need is something done about the total lack of self control, common sense and responsibility for your actions that is epidemic these days. AND every person WITH common sense, responsibility and self control SHOULD have a gun that would cut the crime rate a good bit.

I am dismayed and baffled though by the rash of young people (as in under 35) and even some of the older ones that have zero self control, zero common sense, zero sense of how to be responsible for your own actions and zero conscience

[Casey Jones]

Originally Posted by frontierrots

I totally disagree.

What I think we need is something done about the total lack of self control, common sense and responsibility for your actions that is epidemic these days. AND every person WITH common sense, responsibility and self control SHOULD have a gun that would cut the crime rate a good bit.

I am dismayed and baffled though by the rash of young people (as in under 35) and even some of the older ones that have zero self control, zero common sense, zero sense of how to be responsible for your own actions and zero conscience

I agree with you frontierrots. you dont ban cars because people drive drunk. However, I disagree with it being "young" people and even some of the older ones". I think it's the dumb ones of all ages.

[laurlitt]

Originally Posted by Sasha's Mom

I think that something needs to be done about the gun legislation in the US....it's just way too easy to grab a gun or a rifle and shoot.

This is the same mentality as wanting to legislate what breed of dog's people can own. The mentality of 'freedom' needs to apply to EVERYTHING... I am strongly against big brother in any of my business whether it be my dogs, right to own firearms and the right to smoke (I don't smoke BTW). Everyone needs to be accountable for their own actions and society cannot depend on legislation to stop anything that 'could' be bad....

To fight for our right to own our breed, but then think big brother should micro-manage all other aspects of our lives is hypocritical.

[Paulos]

Good point Frontier. To me...it wasn't the gun that killed the lady...It was the knee jerk reaction of a very trigger-happy (probably untrained) person.

[Roscoe's dad]

I do know that in rural areas of the state I live in you can shoot animals including dogs that threaten your livestock, unless it is a federal endangered species. Shooting them because they are in your yard might be a different story. If the dog had been restrained this would not have happened.

[Anne]

Originally Posted by Necie

That woman should not be allowed to own a firearm! \
I own chickens. I own a dog. My neighbor owns dogs that would LOVE to get my chickens. (They have gotten two.) My chickens are in a coop and fenced-not free range (all over the property). We went round and round for quite awhile and I finally called animal control to give him a warning-KEEP YOUR DOGS ON YOUR PROPERTY AND UNDER CONTROL. (He has a 60+ lb lab female and a 100+ lb lab x boxer or bull?? male-neither had collars, kept kenneled outside-NO training and NO manners.) This has seemed to work so far. They have gotten loose twice in 6 months, but he now has collars on them and TRIES to keep them home. I have also told him if they are let loose to run and come over and kill chickens, that if I get ahold of them, they will be locked in my car til he pays me $50-or I will call animal control again and he can pay them to get them out of doggie jail!

Fencing would solve you problem with the chickens. You and your neighbor pay 50% each to put up some decent fencing. That way his dogs are safe and so are your chickens.

I would suggest you call animal control rather than demand $50 from your neighbor for the return of his dogs. To demand money while you are holding his dogs in your car might get you into more legal trouble than the neighbor. It sounds a bit like a ransom demand to me.

[Necie]

Firearm ownership and rottweiler ownership are quite the same, IMO. Buying a gun and sticking it in a drawer with no training or practice is akin to buying a rottie and chaining it in the backyard. :( It is neither the firearms fault or the dogs fault when they are 'let loose' and something bad happens.

Again-it is irresponsible owners that make it bad for the responsible ones. Instead of stricter legisation against ownership, there should be stricter consequences for this type of irresponsible behavior. <mad>

[Necie]

Oops-sorry for the second post, but I also had wanted to say and forgot-

This story really irks me, because it makes both rottie and firearm owners look bad. The lady with the rottie did not have control physically (with a leash) or mentally (with the basic command of 'come'). And the lady with the firearm did not have control physically (with training and practice she would have hit her target) or mentally (what was she thinking? I can't see where this dog could have been a lethal threat if she had time to get a weapon and would have been in the home to get it and therefore safe. I also don't see where this lady would have had the weapon on her, as MOST who carry are better trained to use it).

Bad press all the way around.

[Sam's Mom]

Oopsie...replying to wrong thread...'scuse me.

[Sam's Mom]

OOOOPS wrong thread still...sorry. I better put the wine away!!!!!

[Necie]

Originally Posted by Anne

Fencing would solve you problem with the chickens. You and your neighbor pay 50% each to put up some decent fencing. That way his dogs are safe and so are your chickens.

I would suggest you call animal control rather than demand $50 from your neighbor for the return of his dogs. To demand money while you are holding his dogs in your car might get you into more legal trouble than the neighbor. It sounds a bit like a ransom demand to me.

My chickens are fenced-they do not go 'tease' his dogs, but chicken fence does not hold up well against two large breed dogs. If he cares to fence his yard, that is his option. His dogs safety is not my responsibility-it is his. $50 is the charge for dead chickens and damaged fence (and low at that). If his dogs are loose and on my property, then my restraining them in any form (garage, car, tied up, etc), and calling animal control is the least of my options. As I said-it is totally within my rights to destroy any dog harrassing or causing harm or death to my livestock. Though, as I stated, this would be my last option personally.