Bullet Meant For Dog Kills 'Owner'

[RottieGirl86]

Skip the chickens, this has absolutely nothing to do with chickens or livestock. It has 100% to do with public welfare/safety.

Human life ( inalienable right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, yadda-yadda)> gun ownership> everything else


2nd amendment says we can have guns, I support that. Next comes the personal responsibility to use caution and not endanger people at large.

A lot of counties have gun ordanances where you cannot fire a gun. We recently had a woman killed this past year because a couple guys were target practicing and a stray bullet killed a woman in her bedroom on the second floor of a house behind where they were shooting!

This shooter will most likely face voluntary manslughter charges and probably be plead down to avoid a long trial. If I was family of the victim, I would then sue in civil court as punishment for loss of life. imo - people don't learn unless it hurts.

I agree with frontierrots about people not thinking about consequnce of their actions. The recent shooting in Texas by the 70 year old man while on the phone with 911 dispatch shows there's a very callaus disregard for life these days. Very sad.

Gun safety is critical imo and this person has shown they cannot exercise caution or think clearly when a problem occurs. They face a hard lesson, but there's no cure for stupid. But in this case, maybe some jail time will make them think twice then act correctly.

[Sasha's Mom]

Originally Posted by frontierrots

I totally disagree.

What I think we need is something done about the total lack of self control, common sense and responsibility for your actions that is epidemic these days. AND every person WITH common sense, responsibility and self control SHOULD have a gun that would cut the crime rate a good bit.

I am dismayed and baffled though by the rash of young people (as in under 35) and even some of the older ones that have zero self control, zero common sense, zero sense of how to be responsible for your own actions and zero conscience

Well, people need to get a LICENCE to get a car. THe same should apply for a gun. The point is that it's just too easy to purchase a gun, and that's how people with "zero common" sense keep killing.

[hennie400]

I just cant imagine getting a gun and taking a pot shot at a moving dog and person. A recipe for diaster unless you are an expert shot.

I am not a fan of guns but would doubt an experienced, responsible gun owner would have done something like this.

Was the dog menacing anyone or just simply being disobedient and running through the neighbouring property while its owner tried to catch it?

Not ideal I admit as indicates lack of training but maybe it was a young playful dog? I have had a few of those run through my property with no harm done.

[hennie400]

Where I live gun laws came in to restrict the type of guns people can keep. People are only allowed to keep single shot guns. Farmers are exempt from this law.

Hand guns can only be owned if you belong to a gun club and you leave the guns at the club when you have finished shooting.

Breed specific laws have also recently been introduced. Pit Bulls and several other such breeds can be owned but you have to have secure fencing and the dogs cant be walked in public by anyone youner than eighteen.

This has been much debate about breed specific laws with our canine association against it. But the stats showed that pit bulls had a serious bite rate of 10 times that of Rotties, GSDS and cattle dogs. Very few people own pit bulls here so there wasnt a big fuss.

An erosion of democracy? I dont know, I love where I live and generally feel very safe when I walk the streets with my dogs, even late at night.

[Anne]

Originally Posted by hennie400

Where I live gun laws came in to restrict the type of guns people can keep. People are only allowed to keep single shot guns. Farmers are exempt from this law.

Hand guns can only be owned if you belong to a gun club and you leave the guns at the club when you have finished shooting.

Breed specific laws have also recently been introduced. Pit Bulls and several other such breeds can be owned but you have to have secure fencing and the dogs cant be walked in public by anyone youner than eighteen.

This has been much debate about breed specific laws with our canine association against it. But the stats showed that pit bulls had a serious bite rate of 10 times that of Rotties, GSDS and cattle dogs. Very few people own pit bulls here so there wasnt a big fuss.

An erosion of democracy? I dont know, I love where I live and generally feel very safe when I walk the streets with my dogs, even late at night.

It needs to be mentioned that every person (except farmers) who legally owns a firearm must be licensed and be a registered member of a gun club in Australia. To obtain a license to own a gun is a complicated procedure.

Perhaps you can direct us to the statistics you refer to that show Pit Bulls have a serious bite rate of 10 times greater than the other breeds you mention. I have never seen those statistics, neither have I heard of them in fact the reverse is the case to my knowledge. I would very much like to see thost statistics if you would be kind enough to direct me to where they can be found.

I'm a member of the Endangered Dog Breeds Association and have been a member for a number of years and no such statistics have ever been presented to the association. If in fact they are available then EDBA would be very interested in accessing them.

BSL laws are not recent, EDBA has been fighting BSL for years. Could you tell us which canine association has been involved in the BSL debate? Pit Bulls are not a recognised pure breed and therefore cannot be registered with the Canine association. The Canine Association is a registration body for pure bred registered dogs. As such they do not involve themselves in matters relating to unregistered dogs.

Also it is not so that 'very few' people own Pit Bulls. There is a sizeable population of Pits in Australia. Owners must desex their dogs and cannot sell, breed or otherwise transfer ownership of Pit Bulls (some people don't abide by the law).

The following breeds of dog cannot be imported into Australia and are restricted breeds:-
American Pit Bull Terrier
Pit Bull Terrier
Japanese Tosa
Fila Brasilero
Dogo Argentio
Presa Canario