Woman mauled to death by own Rottweilers (Bangkok, Thailand)

[Rene Allegrini]

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Bangkok Post : General news

Woman mauled to death by own Rottweilers

A 53-year-old woman died after she was mauled by her five Rottweiler dogs in Lamphun province, police said yesterday. The severely mauled body of Nannapas Surinsombat was found in her house in Lamphun's Pa Sang district on Tuesday. One of her ears was severed and her scalp was badly torn, said Pol Maj Karn Deemongkol.

Initially, police detained three Burmese workers the dead woman employed as servants.

An autopsy at Maharaj hospital in Chiang Mai concluded she died of injuries from dog bites, most probably from the five Rottweilers she raised, Pol Maj Karn said.

Pol Maj Karn said it appeared Nannapas had been attacked by one of her dogs and the smell of blood from the wounds might have aroused aggressiveness in the other dogs.

Following the autopsy, police decided not to press murder charges against the Burmese workers. However, the three still face charges of illegal entry and the use of false identity cards.

[Arkillez]

Sounds like another bad rap for our Rotties. In my opinion dogs only know what you teach them. if you only show them love they will in turn will show it back.

[2rotties2luv]

Originally Posted by Arkillez

if you only show them love they will in turn will show it back.

Unfortunately, love is not enough. The reality is that rottweilers must have training, discipline and leadership. Without those, the rottweiler puts himself in charge and that is when a tragedy such as this can happen. The very best way to love a rottweiler is to train it and to give it firm and consistant discipline and leadership.

[moz205]

Just want to add another side into this. Yes, training, consistancy, love are very important to a dog, any dog. One possibility to look into is rage. There is another thread about this. I unfortunately had a sweet, loving dog who I believe had it as you will see in this thread. He had no aggression towards anyone in the family except for 2 episodes in 13 years. It does happen and believe me, I would have trusted my dog to the end and he turned on me for about 30 seconds, probably less. He had a great life, was trained, obedient and greatly loved. Hubby thought more than him! It's definitely a possibility and can happen to any dog but a Rottie can do severe damage. I just wouldn't put the blame so quickly on the poor owner who suffered this terrible attack. As with my own dog, I KNEW he would've eaten me right there those few seconds and thankfully, I was able to break his "trance".

[damp]

Originally Posted by Arkillez

Sounds like another bad rap for our Rotties. In my opinion dogs only know what you teach them. if you only show them love they will in turn will show it back.

I don't think this has anything to do with love!!!

When a pack of dogs turns in drive… the dogs are no longer pets but predators! and there must be a damn good "pack leader" to control the pack, if not, you have a very serious accident.

[groupieindenial]

5 Rottweilers who live within the same living quarters, not seperated, is a recipe for trouble.

With Thailand's poverty comes crime. These dogs were most likely there to deter criminals/theives and protect their owner. Ironically they were the ones to take her life.

[TJK291]

Originally Posted by moz205

Just want to add another side into this. Yes, training, consistancy, love are very important to a dog, any dog. One possibility to look into is rage. There is another thread about this. I unfortunately had a sweet, loving dog who I believe had it as you will see in this thread. He had no aggression towards anyone in the family except for 2 episodes in 13 years. It does happen and believe me, I would have trusted my dog to the end and he turned on me for about 30 seconds, probably less. He had a great life, was trained, obedient and greatly loved. Hubby thought more than him! It's definitely a possibility and can happen to any dog but a Rottie can do severe damage. I just wouldn't put the blame so quickly on the poor owner who suffered this terrible attack. As with my own dog, I KNEW he would've eaten me right there those few seconds and thankfully, I was able to break his "trance".

Great point and should be well heeded by everyone in here. ALL dogs have the inherent ability to snap. It really pi**es me off when people don't ever blame the dog for his actions. If you were my wife and this happened he would not be of the living when i got home. Luckily my wife is very dominant with our dog and trust me if the dog were to ever bare teeth or growl at her he'd be missing those teeth.

[groupieindenial]

Originally Posted by TJK291

It really pi**es me off when people don't ever blame the dog for his actions.

Dogs are animals. Dogs have been domesticated by humans. If your not going to respect their inherent nature - which is wild - than you are going to suffer the consequences. The Rottweiler, and many other working dogs are not for the average pet owners. EVERY time these sort of things happen, we only have ourselves (human kind) to blame. NOt the dog. NOT THE BREED!!! Most attacks could have been prevented. There are always signs EARLY on, but the novice is not experienced enough to see them. In denial that their understanding of training such dog may be inadequate.

What moz205 is talking about is a rare condition, rage syndrome or something (that's in another recent thread).

[Bruce Lanthier]

Originally Posted by TJK291

ALL dogs have the inherent ability to snap.

This is completely untrue! It should say all dog owners have the inherent ability to be completely ignorant of dog behavior. While a dog may snap ( I assume that means go crazy and bite /attack someone) I would venture that 98% of dog bites/attacks are due to mismanaging the dog in question. One huge misconception about raising/owning dogs is stated above "if you only show them love they will in turn will show it back." If that is what someone believes is all that is needed to own/raise a dog then we will continue to have dog bite tragedys.

People want strong, protective, guardian, working breeds but then they fail the breed by not giving it a strong, protective, guardian, working (working to understand dog behavior, drives and training) owner.

[RottieGirl86]

Originally Posted by moz205

Just want to add another side into this. Yes, training, consistancy, love are very important to a dog, any dog. One possibility to look into is rage. There is another thread about this. I unfortunately had a sweet, loving dog who I believe had it as you will see in this thread. He had no aggression towards anyone in the family except for 2 episodes in 13 years. It does happen and believe me, I would have trusted my dog to the end and he turned on me for about 30 seconds, probably less. He had a great life, was trained, obedient and greatly loved. Hubby thought more than him! It's definitely a possibility and can happen to any dog but a Rottie can do severe damage. I just wouldn't put the blame so quickly on the poor owner who suffered this terrible attack. As with my own dog, I KNEW he would've eaten me right there those few seconds and thankfully, I was able to break his "trance".

imo, that's a bad tempered dog and should have been put down.

With my 2, I can see certain pack traits and I always break it up. I pull a 'come to jesus' moment when I see it because I do not tolerate unruly dog or kids. the dogs have to break apart & sit then give paw. Thankfully Athena is a sweetheart and always drops to my command. never a moments worry and max mimics Athena's behavior because he wants acceptance.

Any dog that doesn't back down 100% to it's owner is either in my in-expert opinion:

1) bad owner
2) bad genes
3) both

Some people should not own this breed and sadly this woman paid for it with her life.

Having Sasha and 2 smaller dogs years ago, I saw that pack enviroment too. It was much easier as the small female was dominant (firmly entrenched too) and Sasha was extremely passive having worked out her terrible teen years before homed with us.

Now, with 2 rotts that play hard ( yes, plaster has suffered because they bump into to wall unawares due to intensity of play) I can see how 5!!! would end up spelling doom to a human who did not know how to control or handle so many dogs. Most likely they were outside & not bonded to owner - especially if guard dogs. I'm sad for here, but that was a receipie for disaster.

[aranea]

I do belive that all dogs can snap at one time, why not! Even humans go crazy, why dog shouldn't go crazy! We can not get into a dogs mind...we don't know how they feel, do they like the way they are treated or not...I belive I have complete control on my dog, but you never know what's going on his mind!

[groupieindenial]

I don't think all humans go crazy at one point, and neither do dogs. If moz205 incidence was indeed "rage syndrome" then that is a very RARE disorder in dogs "lacking" certain endorphins/chemical imbalance and should not be viewed as the norm. .

[moz205]

Many people say right away he was aggressive, bad mannered but believe me there is a difference when they have "rage". It is a default, unknown cause, possibly low seritonin, there are articles about this syndrome. My dog was never disobedient or try to dominate. He was a lap dog who with just a look would know what I wanted and would abide. Bad tempered is definitely NOT what he was. I didn't know about rage until recently. I could read my dog like a book and probably knew his actions before he knew what he was going to do. He was around kids, people and other animals (I am the animal rescuer in the family) and now also have 4 rabbits. It was not a dominance thing and I assure you if you ever have the misfortune to see it happen, you would know the difference. I never told hubby about this and Rommel was MY dog from the beginning, he knew who the boss was. I had him before marriage and children and he adjusted seamlessly. I may have put him down if I had known at that time about rage. It scares me now after reading a lot about it. I guess everyone will have their opinion regarding this but I knew my dog like the back of my hand. Maybe it would help if owners would read articles about this and keep it in mind. I am not sure as to how "rare" it is. Like I said 2 incidents in 13 yrs does not make a bad tempered dog to be put down. He didn't have the "pack mentality" of a multi dog home either as he was the only one. He wasn't banging into walls while playing, he never took his playing to a higher intensity with any of us. I always said I trusted my dogs 99.9% but would be a fool to trust them 100%.

[Obelix]

Originally Posted by Arkillez

Sounds like another bad rap for our Rotties. In my opinion dogs only know what you teach them.

Most likely :the dog will gladly take advantage of it en use your "love"to his own beneffit.This is NOT because he's bad (or name it whatever you want),it's BECAUSE he 's a DOG.

[habitual]

Originally Posted by aranea

I do belive that all dogs can snap at one time, why not! Even humans go crazy, why dog shouldn't go crazy! We can not get into a dogs mind...we don't know how they feel, do they like the way they are treated or not...I belive I have complete control on my dog, but you never know what's going on his mind!

Hmmmm.... any stable tempered, well bred dog is never going to snap. They do not have the same mentality as humans- honestly- how rare is it for an emotionally stable human to snap and lash out and seriously damage/kill someone?
Plus, sorry, I just do not think that in this case we can compare the menatlity of humans to the menatlity of a pack of dogs. In a dog pack, when one goes down, they all swarm around and finish that one off. That is natural for them. When humans commit such a horrific act where they join in on an attack- humans have the mentality to know what they are doing is disgustingly wrong- they know this is not normal 'human' behaviour. For dogs however, it is the norm- and it doesn't matter how domesticated they become they will never lose the pack mentality when presented in whichever form. As humans we should not ever want them to lose that mentality either - it is how they are intwined with our lives as well.