Profiling the dog most likely to maul....

[lmr77318]

Deadly canine attacks: profiling the dog most likely to maul... Most dogs are unlikely to become lethal weapons... You can stack the odds in your favor: if you train it (only 11% of dogs who received obedience training were among dogs involved in fatalities); if it's female (male dogs were 6.2 more times likely to fatally bite), if it's neutered (unneutered dogs were 2.6 times more likely to be involved in attacks), if you don't chain it or confine it in small spaces (confined dogs were three times more likely to fatally bite) and if you supervise it when around children. Over half of dog fatalities are children and about 12 fatalities occured per year over a 19 year period. Since many fatalities were from mixed breeds, estimates were made of the breeds involved: rottweiler mixes and pit bulls were involved in over half of the fatalities. [Vancouver Sun; January, 2003; link now defunct]

I was searching through some dog news sites trying to help diddybopper04 find information on the the boy killed by 4 Rotties in the UK. (Sorry...I was unable to find any helpful information on that topic.)

However, I came across this article that caught my attention. Really good statistics for promoting training and neutering, expaining why tying/chaining your dog is NOT a good idea!?!? I was thinking it would even be a good arguement against BSL until I read the last sentence. But maybe, still could be since it states "mixes". Maybe help in the education of why not to buy from a BYB who sells "breeds" with no papers.......a "mix" for sure. What do ya'll think? Comments? Thoughts?

[diddybopper04]

I was searching through some dog news sites trying to help diddybopper04 find information on the the boy killed by 4 Rotties in the UK. (Sorry...I was unable to find any helpful information on that topic.)

Thanks for looking. I've searched every way I know how and can't find a thing.

[Judi W]

I was going to ask your purpose for this. It seems to me that the data supports breed bans as much as anything. If not the same data, similar data is from the CDC.

[Burnsway]

Originally Posted by Judi W

I was going to ask your purpose for this. It seems to me that the data supports breed bans as much as anything. If not the same data, similar data is from the CDC.

Probably just as anyone who first starts researching dog bites, You forget to read between the lines........

I remember when I first read the "unneutered dogs were more likely to be involved in attacks", I was ready to take a knife and go neuter every dog I found myself........ It never dawned on me that it was most likely because they were untrained, running loose in packs unsupervised and uncared for, and that was really the issue and danger.......

And yes I do believe that is from the CDC. Of course one of the first sites that pop up in a google search for dog bites.

And the quotes the "MIXES OF" always gets me. If it is black and tan or has a docked tail it must be a mix of a Rottweiler and if it is stocky and has a blocky head it must be a pit mix.....


Lisa,

Welcome to your first stage of researching dog bites.... "It ain't always what it seems" You have your INTERNET seat belt on right?????.........

Maybe help in the education of why not to buy from a BYB who sells "breeds" with no papers.......a "mix" for sure. What do ya'll think? Comments? Thoughts?

PS: Since you asked for thoughts........... BYB's also sell with papers. Infact many more probably do then don't. Papers mean nothing, just that the dog has been registered with a registration organization such as AKC. It does help you track the pedigree a bit but many times that can be false too. I always laugh..Nicki my Past Mixed Mutt Pomeranian had champion lines in her AKC papers........ And Psyches Grandma has German champion lines I'm told...lol........

She is German though. Really she is.......hubby is German and he is helping raise her.........

[lmr77318]

Originally Posted by Judi W
I was going to ask your purpose for this. It seems to me that the data supports breed bans as much as anything. If not the same data, similar data is from the CDC.

What is CDC?
My purpose was to get feed back concerning this topic. Is this information accurate? The statements....."Most dogs are unlikely to become lethal weapons....if you train it..... if it's neutered...... if you don't chain it or confine it in small spaces..... and if you supervise it when around children" seem to support the educational factor that this forum promotes. But then when I got to the last sentence about Rott mixes, I did not like that sentence. Like Burnsway suggests.....that is an awful LARGE range. Anyway, I was just curious as to what ya'll thought about this article, the female versus male bite statistic, and wether or not this IS the type of statistics used for BSL? Because IMHO...."Rottweiler mixes" seems very, very vague to me.

Originally posted by Burnsway
it was most likely because they were untrained, running loose in packs unsupervised and uncared for, and that was really the issue and danger.......

Burnsway, I totally agree with this statement (Good owners vs. breed of dog) and thought this article was supporting this until I reached the end. I just learned about BSL since I have joined this site from reading different threads. I just had never heard of such a thing until now. It seems very, very unfair to me how laws can actually be passed on such "vague" information. Have you been affected by this in Texas? I guess I have been lucky so far........whoops, let me knock on some wood real fast!!

[diddybopper04]

CDC is the Center for Disease Control, In Atlanta.

[lmr77318]

Originally posted by Burnsway
"It ain't always what it seems" You have your INTERNET seat belt on right?????.........

INTERNET seat belt in place!! Boy, I have learned so much since I have joined this site right after acquiring Tiny. Still, ALOT to learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Burnsway]

Originally Posted by lmr77318

Have you been affected by this in Texas? I guess I have been lucky so far........whoops, let me knock on some wood real fast!!

http://www.pbrc.net/breedspecific.html

The state of Texas has a law prohibiting BSL. Section 822.047 I dont have a Link for that. It is dead. May have changed.

Pit Bulls banned in Neisville,Tx existing pit bulls have been restricted in the city.

Kyle, Tx has an ordinance on new pit bull ownership

BSL reported but unconfirmed in Terrel, Tx


Terrell, Texas has breed bans on I believe it is Rottweilers and Pits and mix's of (Not confirmed as site above says) but BSL isn't only breed bans. When one goes to get insurance and is turned down because of the breed they have or can't get an apartment because of the breed they have(One reason we moved) it is no different. So yes even though Texas hasn't gone totally in panic we are affected.

Before Psyche, we were turned down 2 Apartment opportunities because Angel was a Chow Mix.

[Burnsway]

Found It!

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/bsl_wins.htm

It is old but I have not heard of anything to contradict it but looks some Texas Cities have breed bans so must be some loop holes there........


§ 822.047. LOCAL REGULATION OF DANGEROUS[0] DOGS[0]. A county
or municipality may place additional requirements or restrictions
on dangerous[0] dogs[0] if the requirements or restrictions:
(1) are not specific to one breed or several breeds of
dogs[0]; and (2) are more stringent than restrictions provided by
this subchapter.
Added by Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 916, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1991.

Incase you guys are interested they have the famous identify the Pit Bull game on that site......

[Judi W]

There is a big difference between bite statistics and death by dog statistics. A very large number of bites are never reported so statistics there are very weak as far as the sample is concerned. Logically, death caused by dog attacks are most commonly committed by large dogs.

A Nexis search of UK publications showed over 1,000 citations for Rottweiler. Rottweiler plus death brought me 800. Obviously I wasn't going to read 800. Many referred to farmer Martin because he owned a Rottweiler which would be mentioned in some of the many stories about him. There were several cases of attacks by Rottweiler and two that resulted in death. One in 89 and one in 96. Both had two dogs involved.

A search of the London Telegraph fared no better.

Now, does this reassure anyone? Of course not. It reaffirms that people who are going to own these large and powerful dogs should darn well be able to control them. That means hard work for several years of socialization and training, not just going to a puppy or beginner class. That breeding needs to pay immaculate attention to character. That owners had better contain their dogs and not allow them to run at large.

There was also a story in '93 that the Scottish police were training a Rottweiler and they hoped to have more as their canine police.

[lmr77318]

Originally posted by diddybopper04
Thanks for looking.

You are quite welcome!!

Originally posted by diddybopper04
CDC is the Center for Disease Control

Thank you!!


Burnsway,
THANK YOU for the links. I'm still weeding through those and the CDC web site. I appreciate the information.

Originally posted by Judi W
Now, does this reassure anyone? Of course not. It reaffirms that people who are going to own these large and powerful dogs should darn well be able to control them. That means hard work for several years of socialization and training, not just going to a puppy or beginner class. That breeding needs to pay immaculate attention to character. That owners had better contain their dogs and not allow them to run at large.

I absolutely agree!! Guess I've lived under a rock all my life because I was brought up to believe that YOU are responsible for ALL of your animals..........dogs, cats, cows, goats, pigs, horses, chickens, etc. Never crossed my mind until reading about BSL that people are trying to blame the "dog" (animal). My mind is having a really hard time entertaining the thought that "anyone" could believe such nonsense much less really have a valid arguement for said belief.

[lmr77318]

Originally posted by lmr77318
Anyway, I was just curious as to what ya'll thought about this article, the female versus male bite statistic, and wether or not this IS the type of statistics used for BSL?

Just wanted to see if I could get your opinions of this. I personally believe that you can find, organize, and twist statistics to prove or disprove anything. (JMHO) However, I just wanted your thoughts on if males are more likely to bite (fatally or otherwise) than females?

[Burnsway]

Any negative statistic or mishap fuels BSL! They do not care about age, sex or past history. They see an attack they use it to fuel their fight. If the attacks stop they have nothing to go on, so that is one of the main ways we try and fight it. Educate people on proper ownership and control so we will not see stories daily on the news. No attacks, they have nothing to use.......it is really that simple well at-least that part. Getting people to wise up and realize any dog even their great big cutsie fur baby they owned for 3, 6, 10 years can and will bite in certain situations, is another whole story. Every dog......EVERY DOG.....has limits.

The more well behaved well mannered Rottweilers and Pits people see the more they will go hu??????? When they here BSL people ramble on. But if the only experience they have is a sharp tooth 100 pound dog chasing them while out on their bike or growling at them at petsmart you can only imagine what they think.

I just wanted your thoughts on if males are more likely to bite (fatally or otherwise) than females?

My personal opinion is I have not seen any real proof that a male is more likely to bite then a female. But that is a personal opinion.