County denies puppy permit

[MOKASMOM]

Well just to let everyone know I feel sorry for the Schombergs cause those Rotties are there life. I know the Schombergs personally cause I bought a pup from them. I have been to there house and they really care for every dog they have there. I understand some people might say they have to many Rotts but if you had went there to see the love they have for this breed you would understand. They are not some puppymill. They don't just sell a pup to anyone. I had to spend time with the family and all the dogs and they looked at my history and reason for wanting a Rottie. The explained everything you need to know about Rottweilers. They helped you make decisions as to what pup would best suit you. You can call them day or night with any questions you may have. My personal opinion is I hope they appeal this and I hope they stay in business. I would recommend anyone to buy a Rottie from this family. If I could have more Rotts at my house I would in a heartbeat.

I hope this doesnt offend people but this is just my opinion and the way I feel.

Thank You,

Michele

[JD102175]

They may be nice people, but there is absolutely NO good reason to have 100 breeding adults. Even 26 is a bit much. Also, I don't recall seeing anywhere that they show their dogs. Their dogs may come from champion bloodlines, but that does not make their dogs champions nor does it make them worthy of being bred. I also believe one of their studs is 160lbs, which is grossly out of standard for a Rottweiler. And if i recall correctly one of their ads claims that they, on occasion, have "superior" sized Rotts available. Superior sized= out of standard. Mrs. Schomberg herself said that they are looking for a way to bring some "extra income to the farm". No ETHICAL breeder breeds for money, they breed for the betterment of the breed.


Jaime

[Brooke&Ryan]

You might want to read this thread Mokasmom. It's a tad bit long but it deals with the Schombergs & a person on the board who got a puppy from them. Here are just a few excerpts that I think are a bit important to read....

Originally posted by mercedes
I just got my 6 1/2 week old pup today. Her back legs seem a little wobbly. Is it because she is little yet or is it something else?

No ethical breeder would let the puppy go at 6 weeks....

Originally posted by mercedes
[Band they said if we would have to exchange a pup, they would put it down and give us a new born one...[/b]

Hmmm, doesn't sound too ethical to me...

Originally posted by BostonRott
The pedigree re: Schomberg's Shakespeare shows that he has no OFA number, yet has progeny. He now has an OFA number, per the database. So, the dog was therefore bred before the age of 2, and before having his OFA. It's nice to see that he came out clear, since he was irresponsibly bred prior to clearance. This is not something you'd have figured out easily via the OFA database, however, web searches on dogs you're interested in can provide a lot of info, if you know how to put it all together.

Breeding before the age of 2 without OFA??? Hmmm....

I would take a look at the Schombergs & see if you REALLY want them to stay in business. I'm sure that you won't be finding any support here for them because the "Rotties are their life." I don't believe it for a minute.
http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/sho...s&pagenumber=1

Brooke

[MOKASMOM]

Hey Jaime,

To your reply about Nancy having a 160Ibs stud that is true but there was also a Rott that was brought in from another state the she used to breed and that dog was 180Ibs. I have pics of all her dogs with there names and ancestory too. There bloodlines do look good and I will be the first to admit that she doesnt show those dogs at all. But is championship everything? Thats why her prices on the pups where not high cause her dogs were not show dogs. I have seen show dogs priced at $1500.00 to start. But I have to say my pup is 5months old with a clean bill of health and excellent temperment which in my case the temperment of these dogs were excellent unlike some breeders I went too. I understand your concern about her and just making money on these dogs but to be honest at least she tries to make sure these pups go to the right people. If she didnt care about these pups at all she would just give them to anybody with out really looking into these people. Which in my case she interview me via phone for 2 hours and then I went up there and spent 4 hours with her be4 she released the pup that I bought from her. I must say nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes but in her defense she truely does love her dogs.

[Brooke&Ryan]

Originally posted by MOKASMOM
To your reply about Nancy having a 160Ibs stud that is true but there was also a Rott that was brought in from another state the she used to breed and that dog was 180Ibs.

Do you know that this is an unhealthy weight for Rottweilers?? They are both WAAAAAAAAYYYY out of the breed standard & also fat. Their poor joints....:(

Brooke

[LavenderRott]

Welcome to the forum Mokasmom. I hope that your girl continues to have good health and no other problems.

You will find that most of the people on this forum are very passionate about this breed and how it is percieved by the general population.

I am sure that MS. Shomberg loves her dogs. However, they are dogs, meant to be members of the family and interact with children, the elderly and the handicapped. They are not cattle or hogs, that should be massed produced to make money.

Many of the members on this forum have dedicated their lives to bettering the breed. Many more have dedicated their lives to rescuing those that have been abused.

Those who better the breed spend countless hours training and showing their dogs to be sure that they are breeding the best of the best according to the standard. These dogs are temperment tested and are often Therapy dogs as well. They are tested for several things to be sure that everything is done not to pass on genetic defects.

Those who rescue, wake up in the morning trying to figure out how to save just one more of the more 2,000 rottweilers and rottweiler mixes that are in kill shelters across the country.

I could BS you for hours on why I want a poodle. The truth of the matter is, I can't stand poodles.

I certainly can't see how someone could have 100 of these dogs and take proper care of them. There is no way that they could be socialized and trained the way this breed needs to be.

And yes, when she went before the board, she did say that it was a way to make money since they weren't making money selling hogs.

[JD102175]

Originally posted by MOKASMOM
But is championship everything?

It shows that the dog is worthy of being bred, and worthy of passing on it's genes. It shows that the dog has been judged by several unbiased parties to be the best representative of the breed.

I will say that I think it is great that they are selective of who get their pups and have an extensive interview process, but they are still breeding dogs that are out of standard, and I would hazard a guess, that not all of their dogs have the necessary health certificates that ethical breeders ensure their dogs have before any breeding takes place.

They are doing nothing for the betterment of the breed IMO. They are breeding for money and that makes them no better than a BYB.

Jaime

[MOKASMOM]

Originally posted by Brooke&Ryan
Do you know that this is an unhealthy weight for Rottweilers?? They are both WAAAAAAAAYYYY out of the breed standard & also fat. Their poor joints....:(

Brooke

I realize that you think there are overweight but you can see the definition very well on them. You could feel the ribs on the dogs and actually they were pretty tall dogs. My pup's father was 160Ibs and he was a tall boy.

[JD102175]

It seems that you are missing the point. Rottweilers are NOT meant to be that big. They are a medium to large breed dog. They are not Mastiffs or Great Danes. Their body structure is not meant to bear that much weight. It is unhealthy for the joints and dog as a whole. If she truely cares about the breed she would STOP breeding out of standard animals.

Jaime

[alexav]

Originally posted by JD102175
If she truely cares about the breed she would STOP breeding out of standard animals.

Jaime

AMEN! :p

[JD102175]

I know this is off topic, but what kind of contract did you get with your pup?

What kind of guarantee did you get should a genetic flaw(heaven forbid) show up in your dog? i.e. hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, genetic eye or heart problems. What recourse do you have? What are they willing to do for you?


Jaime

[MOKASMOM]

I personally think that everyone should take a trip to the Schombergs residents to see for themselves how these dogs truely are. Everyone on here can talk but unless everyone has seen it for themselves they wouldnt know.

I have read the posts done by mercedes and her pup was given to her at 6 weeks. Well I got my pup at 6 1/2 week and I have went to 3 different vets to get opinions on if they felt that the Schombergs were giving there pups to people to early and every vet I went to said that they saw no problem with that. One of the vets here in Milwaukee is a very well known Vet which specializes in cancer dogs and other more specific illnesses.

The vets stated as long as the pups are in healthy condition there will be no problems. I had also asked the Vets about her parents weight with her father being 160Ibs and all the vets stated if there is definition and you can feel there ribs they are not overweight. Mokas Father is 26 inches tall which is the right hight for male Rottweilers.


I do realize that Mrs. Schomberg stated that she is selling the dogs cause she needs money since her hogs where not making any money but I do think she does have a heart somewhere for these dogs and it is unfortunate that she made that comment. But in my opinion with my experience from her I have had no problems and she has returned every call that I have made to her home and I would in a heartbeat buy another dog from her.

Also Mrs. Schombergs Rottweilers were socialized with many people she has many children and the children who have many friends so I cant say they were never socialized. Mrs. Schomberg left me run in there huge land that they have with 10 of there adult Rotts and not one of those Rotts ever tried to attack me. If those Rotts where not properly socialized with people they would have been more cautious with me considering I was a stranger entering there territory.

I am not on this forum to argue with anybody and I hope that nobody has those feelings that I am, I am just stating an opinion.

[MOKASMOM]

Originally posted by JD102175
I know this is off topic, but what kind of contract did you get with your pup?

What kind of guarantee did you get should a genetic flaw(heaven forbid) show up in your dog? i.e. hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, genetic eye or heart problems. What recourse do you have? What are they willing to do for you?


Jaime

I have a one year guarntee with my pup from hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, eyes, and heart problems.

Mrs. Schomberg and I had discussed the situation about if this pup ever had any of those conditions and she did offer to replace the pup for another one but I had brought up with her that I would not return her and so we came to agreement to reimburss me my money and to help with the med bills if it ever came down to that but so far she has been fine. She has been spayed and is 5 months old and weighs 63 pounds. She did have to be dewormed 2xs after I had gotten her cause I let her play with other puppies who had worms and she got into other dogs fecies. She was also at the vet for an ear infection last week but other then that she has been fine and growing well.

[JD102175]

Originally posted by MOKASMOM
The vets stated as long as the pups are in healthy condition there will be no problems.

Vets are not animal behaviorists. No offense to the vets on the forum. They are medical doctors for animals. I am not saying that they know nothing about animal behavior, but that is not the major area of study. Pups learn A LOT from their siblings and mother between the ages of 6-8 weeks. If you take them out of the litter before then they lose out on what ,potentially, could be some crucial learning experiences that generally can not be replicated by humans.

I also think they were very stupid to allow you, a stranger, to roam unsupervised with 10 adult dogs. Even the most socialized, well trained dogs can fall into "pack mentality". If even 1 of those dogs decided it didn't want you there, or you did something that the dog didn't like and it attacked then I have no doubt that the others probably would have followed suit.


Jaime

P.S. Glad to hear that your pup is healthy and happy

[JoJo]

MOKASMOM, welcome to the forum.....the forum that has the best logo anywhere.....ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW. You came to the right place, for you need to read, read, read and then reread to learn what there is to know about the Rottweiler. And may I make a suggestion, invite Mrs. Schomberg to join for she needs to learn also.

JoJo