Picking out my boy

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by Marylou Mader

JoJo and AngelBunny, it is your cruel and condesending statements that cause people to not feel like they belong to the GOOD ROTTWEILER OWNERS group, what makes you both so perfect.
I personally don't see anything wrong with choosing between 3 pups, the breeder will be there to help them I'm sure, DMarie has already stated she has had Rotties for 23 years, probably before either one of you were born. Now let's help welcome DMarie and I'm sure she would not consider a pup any less than what her past dogs were.
Why don't you two put your energy into helping insted of cutting people off.

I've not seen any cruel or condecending remarks.
Look how long they both have been members. They've seen this hundreds of times...people think they have found a good breeder....and get all excited.
Members remind them what they should be looking for in a COE breeder...but once they get puppy fever they forget everything.

DMarie never did answer my question. What plans do you have for this puppy? I'm sure out of the 3 males to choose from....there would be one to suit their home and family and activities best. The breeder will have spent 7-8 weeks living and teaching these pups...he/she will know their temperaments and personalities the best.

Most COE breeders pick the puppy for the new owner...unless there are 2 very close in personality and temperament.

We just want to prevent future heartbreak...because these same people that have their feelings hurt by being told they have not chosen a good breeder...are the same people coming back here a year or so later....complaining about their dogs that have poor temperaments or lousy health.

Gina

[Kevlarsdad]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

I've not seen any cruel or condecending remarks.
Look how long they both have been members. They've seen this hundreds of times...people think they have found a good breeder....and get all excited.
Members remind them what they should be looking for in a COE breeder...but once they get puppy fever they forget everything.

DMarie never did answer my question. What plans do you have for this puppy? I'm sure out of the 3 males to choose from....there would be one to suit their home and family and activities best. The breeder will have spent 7-8 weeks living and teaching these pups...he/she will know their temperaments and personalities the best.

Most COE breeders pick the puppy for the new owner...unless there are 2 very close in personality and temperament.

We just want to prevent future heartbreak...because these same people that have their feelings hurt by being told they have not chosen a good breeder...are the same people coming back here a year or so later....complaining about their dogs that have poor temperaments or lousy health.

Gina

I took it as a condesending comment Gina, but only from JoJo. It was directed towards me.

Angelbunny was not being cruel, just stated a fact that the breeder might be a lousy one (in my own words,I might be wrong). I think DMarie knows what she is doing, heck, she has 23 years of experiance! But you are right Gina, she never said what she plans for the new rottie. Like I have posted before, I am looking for a show quality, great tempered, perfect conformation to the breed PET.

I will tell you this Gina, I really do take everything you say to heart. I believe that you know a lot about the breed and what goes on with the breeders. The way you ask questions are a whole lot better than most of the other long time members. The others mostly just pretty much say that "you are a moron and your breeder stinks." Sorry, that is the way it looks.

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by Marylou Mader

...AngelBunny, it is your cruel and condesending statements that cause people to not feel like they belong to the GOOD ROTTWEILER OWNERS group, what makes you both so perfect.
I personally don't see anything wrong with choosing between 3 pups, the breeder will be there to help them I'm sure, DMarie has already stated she has had Rotties for 23 years, probably before either one of you were born....

Why don't you two put your energy into helping insted of cutting people off.

I can do nothing about the fact you feel my remarks are cruel and condescending. The remarks I made about good responsible COE breeders picking out the puppy for the buyer is accurate, not cruel and condescending. Encouraging puppy buyers to do their research before buying is good advice, not cruel or condescending. The remark I made about good breeders asking potential buyers lots of questions is certainly not cruel or condescending.

Perhaps you don’t see anything wrong with puppy buyers picking out their own puppies because of imperfect knowledge and lack of experience on your part. I suggest you read thru the postings in Breeding; improvement in knowledge is generally a good thing.

In my years of involvement with rescue, I tell you for a fact: Years of Rottie ownership don’t amount to much if the person isn’t motivated by a desire for education, to learn more about the breed, to improve one’s knowledge. I’ve evaled many OSs for inclusion in my rescue program whose owners are clueless about their dog’s behavior. The only thing quantity and quality share are a couple of similar letters.

Thank you for your suggestion about putting my energy into helping.

Perhaps a read thru Rescue postings will show you how I’ve done this over the years.

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by Kevlarsdad

...The others mostly just pretty much say that "you are a moron and your breeder stinks."

Unless you can prove that with specifics you are speaking out of turn and should refrain from engaging in hyperbole.

I've not seen longtime members say anything of the sort.

But I sure have seen newbies use plenty of inappropriate language.

Ckimba99 with his or her recent "dick head" comment springs to mind.

[Skip]

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In my years of involvement with rescue, I tell you for a fact: Years of Rottie ownership don’t amount to much if the person isn’t motivated by a desire for education, to learn more about the breed, to improve one’s knowledge. I’ve evaled many OSs for inclusion in my rescue program whose owners are clueless about their dog’s behavior. The only thing quantity and quality share are a couple of similar letters.....
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I really like this statement. Hopefully the OP has a lot of good knowledge.
Not that this is the case, it's just that we've all seen people with xx number of years in the breed, and it seems like not a whole lot was learned. Once again, not saying this is the case here, but just totally agreeing with the saying that years don't necessarily equate to knowledge. As years go by, I'm still amazed at how much I have yet to learn.

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by Skip

As years go by, I'm still amazed at how much I have yet to learn.

Ain't that the truth!

I'm working with a new trainer. I'm dismayed and saddened that I didn't learn about her years ago because she's showing me what I don't know--and I've had Rotties for a long time. I'd be so much better--and Moxie would be leagues farther than she is now.

I console myself with Better late than never.

And, I've found a trainer in her for my next dog

[damp]

Originally Posted by Marylou Mader

JoJo and AngelBunny, it is your cruel and condesending statements

Welcome to the Club!!!

[JoJo]

Welcome to the Club

Damp, I admire your club. I'm proud to be a member.

JoJo and AngelBunny, it is your cruel and condesending statements

Well friend, you better get stronger shoulders then what you have, for Gawd only knows what type of rough road you may be headed for. I can think of a whole lot of nasty things I could have really said. I was being just a bit polite with all honesty.

[Gunsey'sMom]

Well I guess I have to join the "nasty" club too then if it is the "nasty" club that is suggesting that breeders should pick the pup for you.

Let me explain my feeling on this to the OP- My dog IS from a BYB. We were ill prepared when we got him and had alot of catching up to do very quick. We had no dogs prior or breed experience. If I had done my home work and planned for a dog years in advance I perhaps would have chosen even a very similar dog- if I was at a diffferent stage in my life and had access to a much vaster variety a resources readily available all the time. He is our dog now, so we improvise to provide for his needs and mental growth/activities.

I have learned in my journey with my dog that he is not a dog for the timid or weak owner- wich could have been disasterous. I hate to think who else could have ended up with him and not stuck it out or done anything with him at all. He is alot of dog-is how I will put it. And I can see an experienced breeder NOT reccommending a dog like him to just anybody.

So it is in the buyers and dogs best interest that breeders choose I believe. I dont know way more than I know- wich I why I would definately leave it up to someone with more knowledge than me. Wich I believe a good breeder would be like a mentor.

[JoJo]

this site has some hard core show people and breeders to average guys who simply love the breed and arent as meticulous, yet are very weary of the breeds needs. each one teach one..

This site isn't about "hard core show people and breeders" this site is about EDUCATION and the WELL BEING of the BREED and it's future. The average guy who simply loves the breed and that aren't meticulous as you say, will come to this site and by the time they stick around and LEARN they will become "hard core" like the rest of us who LOVES this breed. It's not about YOU, it's about the BREED. People who have years and years of experience and knowledge share it with you "average" people not even thinking twice of it, yet the "average" Joe Blow frowns at it. I will never understand the human mind. No one here who cares about the breed will never call anyone "average" because they don't have the experience. Novice yes, but not average! And for that matter, there is nothing wrong in being average. Most people are in life! Here at RDN on the other hand, we do have "exceptional" people. Heck, I take advanage of them daily!!

[Gunsey'sMom]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

Your breeder should be making the choice of which pup would fit into your home the best. What plans do you have with your pup? are you planning on competitive obedience, therapy work? herding, tracking? This should all be part of the decision that is made.

I love the boys, and I think the most important thing is to get enrolled into Puppy K , and keep on taking classes, or some sort of activity with your new boy. They love to learn and enjoy working...and as long as you keep their minds and bodies busy, they are no more problems than females.

Gina

And again, to DMarie, I think Gina is trying to get at that fact that it is important to know what your plans and expectations with this dog are, so you can tell the breeder, and the breeder can select the puppy wich is the best fit for your plans for his future. The breeder has spent the last 8 weeks with these pups getting to know them.

[Sharon Marples]

I'd like to ask if this breeder is planning on giving the PAT test to these puppies at the appropriate age?

[highbl00d]

Originally Posted by JoJo

This site isn't about "hard core show people and breeders" this site is about EDUCATION and the WELL BEING of the BREED and it's future. The average guy who simply loves the breed and that aren't meticulous as you say, will come to this site and by the time they stick around and LEARN they will become "hard core" like the rest of us who LOVES this breed. It's not about YOU, it's about the BREED. People who have years and years of experience and knowledge share it with you "average" people not even thinking twice of it, yet the "average" Joe Blow frowns at it. I will never understand the human mind. No one here who cares about the breed will never call anyone "average" because they don't have the experience. Novice yes, but not average! And for that matter, there is nothing wrong in being average. Most people are in life! Here at RDN on the other hand, we do have "exceptional" people. Heck, I take advanage of them daily!!

yes Jojo. I hear you. I will take what you said and learn from it.

[DMarie]

Yes, the PAT (puppy aptitude test) will be given to my pup, who is one of three males, (whichever one the breeder thinks will be best for my family, as we are looking for a pet quality pup. And, as long as we feel right with him as well. Yep.) at 7 weeks old by our COE breeder (whom I've done over a year of research to find a quality Code Of Ethics breeder to get a pup from within a reasonable distance as I feel shipping a live animal is cruel) he says it can be done within the window of 42 - 49 days.

If you need my SS# and birth weight, I will be glad to provide that as well! LOL

Now, with all that being said, could someone with a male rottie, (I don't care what your credentials are for owning one either as long as he is happy, healthy and a generally good boy!) please tell me your experiences, both pros and cons, living with the males of this fabulous breed. Both my girls were incredible. They were beautiful, loving, kind, patient and confident. I couldn't have asked for better dogs when my kids were babies and growing up. Now I'd like to know what your males are like to live with. I'd love to hear stories from real people who share their lives with their boys!

[Kevlarsdad]

[quote=Well friend, you better get stronger shoulders then what you have, for Gawd only knows what type of rough road you may be headed for. I can think of a whole lot of nasty things I could have really said. I was being just a bit polite with all honesty.[/QUOTE]

So JoJo, it was a condesending comment after all. You really did want to say nasty things. Great. That proves my point. Oh, and thanks for being so polite.

Angelbunny, I was not talking out of turn, if you can see that all I said was that is the way most of the long time members come across. My specifics is the end of JoJo's comments up above.