My new puppy/ Ceasar Millian Methods

[poohbearsmom]

Ceasar fixed that in about 5 minutes. I still have issues with him at the club on occasion when he is on leash and walked to the field. He's lunged at a few other dogs. He doesn't do this away from the field but Ceasar did in five minutes what I am still working to do otherwise

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Sorry to take away from the OPs thread, but I have to ask: In addition to moondog's question, if Cesar "fixed" your dog's problem aggressing at other dogs, I am curious as to why are you still working on it?

[moondog]

LOL..........good question!

[jazzking1971]

Originally Posted by poohbearsmom

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Sorry to take away from the OPs thread, but I have to ask: In addition to moondog's question, if Cesar "fixed" your dog's problem aggressing at other dogs, I am curious as to why are you still working on it?

aggression while in the cage. On lead is different.

The dogs get jazzed up at the club so it's quite the different environment then just being around the neighborhood.

While my guy is in his crate he doesn't nothing but wait to get a bite on the field.

[jazzking1971]

Originally Posted by moondog

What did he do in that five minutes to fix it?

After the first time my dog charged in his cage, he took him for a short walk down to the end of the drive way out on to the street. Then he put him back in the cage. We had other member walk their dogs in front of the cage.

As soon as my dog would look at the dog Ceasar did his Shhhh thing and pointed at my dog. He never touched him after the walk. While I don't think its all that amazing because it's just reading your dog and then reacting before the dog does, I still can not get the same results while my dog is on lead. We just walk in a different way to the field and avoid contact with the other dogs.

I rather have him be ready to hit the field hard then walking out to the field after a few corrections. If I weren't doing schH then I would be correcting him for this.

[poohbearsmom]

Originally Posted by jazzking1971

After the first time my dog charged in his cage, he took him for a short walk down to the end of the drive way out on to the street. Then he put him back in the cage. We had other member walk their dogs in front of the cage.

As soon as my dog would look at the dog Ceasar did his Shhhh thing and pointed at my dog. He never touched him after the walk. While I don't think its all that amazing because it's just reading your dog and then reacting before the dog does, I still can not get the same results while my dog is on lead. We just walk in a different way to the field and avoid contact with the other dogs.

I rather have him be ready to hit the field hard then walking out to the field after a few corrections. If I weren't doing schH then I would be correcting him for this.

Thanks for the tip! I'll let my dogs go apeshit in their crates from now on at the training field.



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[Gunsey'sMom]

I really wish it was that easy to train dogs. To go up to them and SHHHHH them at the "right" time with some magic intuition. But its not.

My beef with Ceasar Milan is that he has chosen to have a show and NOT show what he does inbetween takes to get the results he is getting. Alot of his methods are also highly confrontational to and should NOT be used by Joe Public- who is going to go ahead and use them anyway - because why else are they watching. (unless like me you watch for entertainment) I have seen him get bitten ON the show, so I cant imagine how many serious injuries he has actually sustained.

I also have a problem with the fact that he chooses to parade around Rotts and Pitts. These breeds really dont needs advertisements on TV for more people to go out and get one. I just think he needs to be way more responsible with what he is doing if he truly cares than flashing a "dont try this at home" disclaimer across the screen. Thats my opinion.

[GypsysMom]

I watch him, but I dont agree with some of his training techniques such as the "alpha roll" I dont like the idea of him rolling a pitbull some people take it to heart and may try it, since my dog isnt in training with a professional right now I train her by using the tehniques my trainer taught me and from lots of reading, when I return home after we have started back in professional training I will start with the CGC, as for training at 8 weeks you can do basic obedience, Gypsy was sitting on command at 8 weeks..

And I like the positive aspect in training like the above post mentioned about the show "its me of the dog"

[toby01]

I too am skeptical of Ceasar. But I also think that if all possible forms of traing have failed and you're going to put your dog to sleep, then you may as well try it. If it works great, if it doesn't, at least you tried.

My real objection is that people will raise their perfectly normal puppies with these controversial training methods. What a mess.

It is tv. Just like any reality show, they are staged and full of crap.

I think that he has some valid points, just like rencook pointed out. He recommends treating dogs like dogs, not people. How many times have people gotten into trouble because they wanted to hug their dog? He also encourages exercise. And he states that a large fenced in yard is just a large kennel. Which is dead on. People often just assume the dog will exercise themselves in the back yard because it's 'large and fenced.' How boring and monotonous for a dog.

Read the recommended books, watch Ceasar with skepticism if you want and filter out what to listen to and what to pitch in the trash.

[sweetlee]

I watch the Dog Whisperer all the time. I have to take this with a grain of salt too.
I can see some of the things Ceaser does maybe working as a last resort on SOME dogs.
I would not train a new puppy this way. They respond so well to fun, and to treats that "bossing" them into the behavior you want is certainly not needed.
Now I do have to agree with his ideas on raising a dog. They are dogs, and they need a pack leader. They are much more stable when they are a subordinate, and take direction rather than trying to give it. His excersice, discipline, then affection statement could be better stated as excersice, training, praise and correction then affection. I correct my dog, but never punish him.
And I don't have to correct very often either as he is so eager to please, usually one little firm word from me will do the trick. He does not like displeasing me. And he has no reason to be scared of me either. He respects me.
So if you watch the show, watch it to learn a little, but don't believe everything you see. And certainly do not train a young puppy who is just starting to learn using his methods. I like It's me or the dog better and I do enjoy Divine Canine too. The Monk that does the training praises, praises and praises those dogs he trains, and gets very good results for people with problem dogs.

Sharon

[VANCOUVERISLANDROT]

Originally Posted by Gunsey'sMom

I also have a problem with the fact that he chooses to parade around Rotts and Pitts. These breeds really dont needs advertisements on TV for more people to go out and get one. I just think he needs to be way more responsible with what he is doing if he truly cares than flashing a "dont try this at home" disclaimer across the screen. Thats my opinion.

I don't feel that he's "parading" Rotts and Pits about on his show so that more people go buy them! I think he's trying to show the public that these breeds are not BAD dogs, do not need to be euthanized for bad behavior caused by BAD OWNERS and should not have the bad rap that the general ignorant public has of them. I believe he's trying to show what we all know and feel about these breeds and that they can make great family pets. At least someone is out there advocating for them in the public/TV world instead of all the negative press everyone is used to seeing on these breeds!

[Gunsey'sMom]

Thats not exactly what I meant, and Rotts and Pitts do need good PR, BUT it also needs to be shown just how much work and commitment you have to be prepared for when you own one of these breeds. I just dont feel like that is truly shown, and that is why our breed is in trouble. I am not saying Ceasat Milan is singlhandedly detroying the Rottweiler, but this is one of the sublte things that erodes away at all of our rights of breed ownership.

YES our breed is shown in a positive light, but you only see the fairlytale side and none of the work and effort, wich I think isnt right when the show is about training.

And I do agree with some of the things says. But I feel this is also a double edged sword. How are people that dont know anybetter supposed to sift through the nonsense and the fact? To them it is all gospel truth from the dog whisperer.

[poohbearsmom]

Originally Posted by VANCOUVERISLANDROT

I don't feel that he's "parading" Rotts and Pits about on his show so that more people go buy them! I think he's trying to show the public that these breeds are not BAD dogs, do not need to be euthanized for bad behavior caused by BAD OWNERS and should not have the bad rap that the general ignorant public has of them. I believe he's trying to show what we all know and feel about these breeds and that they can make great family pets. At least someone is out there advocating for them in the public/TV world instead of all the negative press everyone is used to seeing on these breeds!

I seem to remember him referring to pits and rottweilers and other molloser breeds as "fighting dogs".... or some such nonsense. That certainly fosters a warm fuzzy feeling.... not.

[VANCOUVERISLANDROT]

Originally Posted by poohbearsmom

I seem to remember him referring to pits and rottweilers and other molloser breeds as "fighting dogs".... or some such nonsense. That certainly fosters a warm fuzzy feeling.... not.

I've only heard him refer to rottweilers are working breeds that need something to "work for" (i.e. herding, cart pulling etc). However a Rottweiler WAS a butchers dog...so it was used for protection at one time. I've never heard him use "fighting dogs" and/or what context it was used in so I can't comment on that.

[propertylady57]

Originally Posted by VANCOUVERISLANDROT

I've only heard him refer to rottweilers are working breeds that need something to "work for" (i.e. herding, cart pulling etc). However a Rottweiler WAS a butchers dog...so it was used for protection at one time. I've never heard him use "fighting dogs" and/or what context it was used in so I can't comment on that.

I have heard him refer to all "BULL breed" dogs as bred for fighting. Not the Rotties. I don't see anything wrong with his style. He seems to get results. I have used it myself and I saw results and I have a very happy dog.

[Cheshire]

I'm rather fond of watching "Dog Whisperer". Ceasar does good work.
Obvious things to keep in mind are (aside from the standard disclaimer on every show that tell you to work with a professional trainer in your area if you need help) that every case is different: different dog, different breed, different personality, different approach required. There are no cut-and-dry solutions.

With that in mind, I have yet to see a problem with his methods. I love his approach of dogs aren't humans! (Some people at the local dog park here could really benefit from that knowledge.) He stresses fundementals (exercise, discipline, affection) that work.