Hello Our 1st Rotti in OZ

[Rexy]

Hi, we have got a 9 month old Dog from Queno von den Sieben Eichen. I am a real novice when it come s to all the bloodline history but would love to be more informed about everything.. We live In Perth Western Australia. Rex is a dog from the litter of the president of the Rottweiler Club of WA so we hope we did the right thing.

We want to breed "Rex" and this was our intention from the day we got him. He has beautiful dark markings and his Temperament is amazing. He love children and he is a gentle Giant.

He weighs around 37kgs ( 80 pounds) his growth seems to of slowed a little. The sire is 63kg (138 pounds ) do most pups take after there parents in size?? It seems to be quite a common question on this site "is my dog big enough" why are we all paranoid? Do they all get to how big there fathers are and take after the bitch and dog??

Other then that he is the apple of our world! Any help would be much appreciated?

[goforit]

To the best of my knowledge, the genetics that any dog carries can go back several generations. My Yorkie did not look like either of his parents. But then I bought a book on Yorkies and found a picture of his great grandfather who had won Best of Breed at Westminister. They looked identical. But I'm with you on the size thing. Unless you want to show or breed, what difference does it make? It's temperment that is the most important to me. On the other hand, don't even think about breeding until you know what you have in all respects. Read some of the threads on hip and elbow xrays and all of the other things which need to be in place before you consider breeding.

[brunie's mom]

Why do you think that your dog must be bred?
Is he currently being shown? Do your know what must be achieved with your dog before he should even be considered for breeding? Do you realize that life with a stud dog is not all that easy.

If your pup's sire is 138 lbs he is either overweight or oversized. That's usually not in the standard size for a Rottweiler. What titles has the sire achieved?

Your pup may take after the dam's side and just be a good average size for a Rottweiler male. Bigger is not better with this breed. They are supposed to be a working breed and supposed to be able to run and move without discomfort.

Gina

[Rexy]

Originally Posted by goforit

To the best of my knowledge, the genetics that any dog carries can go back several generations. My Yorkie did not look like either of his parents. But then I bought a book on Yorkies and found a picture of his great grandfather who had won Best of Breed at Westminister. They looked identical. But I'm with you on the size thing. Unless you want to show or breed, what difference does it make? It's temperment that is the most important to me. On the other hand, don't even think about breeding until you know what you have in all respects. Read some of the threads on hip and elbow xrays and all of the other things which need to be in place before you consider breeding.

Yea as I said before his Temperament is perfect, he is not aggressive, his patients is remarkable and these are some of the reasons we want to bred from him... We are getting his hips, teeth, elbows and eyes scored before we take him back to the breeder we got him from.

[Rexy]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

Why do you think that your dog must be bred?
Is he currently being shown? Do your know what must be achieved with your dog before he should even be considered for breeding? Do you realize that life with a stud dog is not all that easy.

If your pup's sire is 138 lbs he is either overweight or oversized. That's usually not in the standard size for a Rottweiler. What titles has the sire achieved?

Your pup may take after the dam's side and just be a good average size for a Rottweiler male. Bigger is not better with this breed. They are supposed to be a working breed and supposed to be able to run and move without discomfort.

Gina

The Sire is not overweight, he is Shutzhound trained and I don't think the President of the Rottweiler club of western Australia would allow her stud to be out of shape! ;) She picked him up in Germany and bought him to Australia, the reason my partner and I Think he should be breed is because there are a shortage of "good" size and temperament rotti's in Western Australia, the breeder we got Rex off has been Breeding for 24 years...

This is why we have gotten onto this site, to learn a lot more about what is required for breeding ect...

[Shelby427]

ok, he may not be overweight - but he is out of standard. Rotties are not meant to be part of the huge breeds that exist out there. Please do some reading in the breeding forum...is your dog currently being shown? Just because the 'breeder' you got Rex from has been breeding for 24 years, does not mean they are a COE breeder - a lot of BYBs have been mass producing puppies for years also - does not mean anything.

[rottcrazed]

Remember, your assessment of his overall appearance and temperament are one thing, an impartial party is the one that should be evaluating your dog (ie ... showing and temperament testing).

AND, he is a puppy and not yet come into himself mentally, so although his temperament is sweet and loving now, boys do change. Not into maneaters, but he will not necessarily be a placid, laidback boy once his hormones kick in.

I don't know how things work in Australia, but here in Canada, stud dogs who are not proven in any venue, even if their parents are, are not ones who are sought out for breeding (remember, it is the bitch's owner who choses her stud dog, not the other way around).

SO, regardless of his size (and I love a small, tight package), if he is not proven himself, you will find little interest in breeding to him.

Kristi

[Rexy]

Yea cool fair enough Im beging to learn quite abit more now from reading other threads... Just one more question? What is this I hear of an American Rotti and a German Rotti..?????? I belive the Breed was found in Germany ect... but the Standard for Breeding is "American" standard, some people say there is no such thing as a German Standerd.. ??????

Whats the rules on Tails in America?

[Anne]

Originally Posted by Rexy

The Sire is not overweight, he is Shutzhound trained and I don't think the President of the Rottweiler club of western Australia would allow her stud to be out of shape! ;) She picked him up in Germany and bought him to Australia, the reason my partner and I Think he should be breed is because there are a shortage of "good" size and temperament rotti's in Western Australia, the breeder we got Rex off has been Breeding for 24 years...

This is why we have gotten onto this site, to learn a lot more about what is required for breeding ect...

Good that you have come here to learn more about breeding. However I don't think there's any shortage of ethical, registered breeders in Western Australia. There are a few of them around.

[Allerzeit]

Rexy, have you discussed breeding your boy with your breeder? Have you sat down and asked your breeder the questions you are asking here?

Not to say that you shouldn't ask those questions here - not at all! - but I certainly hope you are also working closely with your breeder in this matter.

As far as the standard goes - you need to be referring to the Australian National Kennel Council, where you will find the breed standard that we use in Australia. As others have mentioned, the sire's weight is well above what is acceptable in the breed standard (approx 50kg is the desired weight for a male).

As far as the American vs German Rottweiler argument goes - no, there is no such thing. There is one breed of dog - the Rottweiler. The only way you could say a Rottweiler is a German Rottweiler is if it was whelped there. Ditto, an American Rottweiler is one whelped in America.

Regarding demand for stud dogs, rottcrazed has hit the nail on the head. We have many excellent stud dogs available in this country, so your boy would need to be exhibited, promoted and proven in the show and/or working arena before you are likely to be approached by anyone wanting to use him at stud, so you should definitely be showing/working your boy.

There is a specialty show in Perth in August that you could enter. You would receive an unbiased written critique from a specialist Rottweiler judge at this show - these are very important in gaining knowledge on the good and bad points of your dog.

When you say there are a shortage of "good" size Rottys in WA - can you tell me, what do you consider to be a "good" size? I've certainly not heard of this being a problem in WA, indeed the judge at the speciality show in April has publically commended the quality of the dogs he was given to judge in Perth.

Cheers,

Trace

[Rexy]

Wow i need to be very carefull how I write stuff on here....... You guys are full on.... I have come on this site to learn about whats required and what the general steps are to Breed....

In regard to dogs in Perth I was not stating this to be fact, just what people who know more then me were saying... Again the reason im on this site is to learn more, in reguard s to talking with our breeder, yes we have and we are due to take him back to see her in 2 months or so..

So I need to start showing his ASAP then

Thanks for all your feedback, some of you must gett sick of newbies asking these questions but thats why im on this site. To learn from the experts so I can do the right thing by our Dog