new member w/ 12wk puppy

[daiseyjean76]

that was the ingriedents to the adult food.i am feeding puppy.

[groupieindenial]

Originally Posted by daiseyjean76

yes i do scold him,he normally doesn't do it when i am home much but mainly when it is just my husband cause when he is on the computer he has a one track mind.yes i also don't let him come in till i see him go potty then he can come in and he goes in the same spot outsid all the time.yes i use lets go potty.i have an adult dog and everytime she goes out he follows her and i take him out more often than every 2 hrs when i am home.i also award him by saying good stetson when he is in the action of going outside and he looks at me with a pleased look and a wagging tail.when no one is home he goes in his crate.i don't work so i am home most of the time but like today i went off for a little while and when i came back i asked my husband and he said yes he potted in the house

DO NOT SCOLD THE PUPPY FOR ACCIDENTS IN THE HOUSE! The pup will become submissive, and the peeing in the house will become worse. The puppy does not know what is expected from it yet. No point in scolding, they do NOT know what they did wrong. Instead, when accidents happen inside, take the pup out immediately show him where to go potty. Clean up the mess and scold yourself or your husband for not watching the puppy closely. If he cannot watch him closely, the pup should be crated.

[daiseyjean76]

Crude Protein (Min) 28.0% Calcium (Ca) (Min) 1.1%
Crude Fat (Min) 12.0% Phosphorus (P) (Min) 0.9%
Crude Fiber (Max) 4.0% Iron (Fe) (Min) 200 mg/kg
Moisture (Max) 14.0% Vitamin A (Min) 10,000 IU/kg
Linoleic Acid (Min) 1.5% Vitamin E (Min) 100 IU/kg


CALORIE CONTENT
Metabolizable Energy (ME)
3143 kcal/kg
1426 kcal/lb
392 kcal/cup

Manufactured by: Nestlé Purina PetCare Company, St. Louis, MO 63164 USA

Animal feeding tests using Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) procedures substantiate that Beneful® Healthy Growth For Puppies provides complete and balanced nutrition for all life stages.



Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), chicken, rice flour, milk, soy flour, sugar, sorbitol, tricalcium phosphate, water, animal digest, salt, phosphoric acid, potassium chloride, dicalcium phosphate, sorbic acid (a preservative), L-Lysine monohydrochloride, added color (Yellow 5, Red 40, Yellow 6, Blue 2), calcium carbonate, dried peas, dried carrots, calcium propionate (a preservative), choline chloride, DL-Methionine, Vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin B-12 supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, copper sulfate, brewers dried yeast, biotin, garlic oil, thiamine hydrochloride, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium selenite. A-4093

i don't spank him or anything i just say no and take him outside.

[myst]

hi again:) we feed nutro and zeke and molly do wonderfully.
so maybe you would want to switch over slowly to that or a different food?

[groupieindenial]

The ingredient list is almost exactly the same. Calorically not much better. Still need to feed 1.5-2 cups per day.

First four ingredients definately make the bulk of the food. How can you think that Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, are good ingredients? Just terrible.

If your looking for a cheap feed, I think Proplan is about the same price and is better than this.

[kayozzy]

If you decide to stick with the Beneful, the directions go by what their weight will be at maturity. So, your puppy should be getting 4 to 6 cups per day! Please reread your bag, so you can continue to give the correct amount of food as he grows. If you have any other questions about that food, you can call Purina at 888-236-3385. Thank you!

[groupieindenial]

Originally Posted by kayozzy

If you decide to stick with the Beneful, the directions go by what their weight will be at maturity. So, your puppy should be getting 4 to 6 cups per day! Please reread your bag, so you can continue to give the correct amount of food as he grows. If you have any other questions about that food, you can call Purina at 888-236-3385. Thank you!

WHAT?? You don't feed a 12 week old puppy the same you would feed an adult dog. Where did you ever get that information from???

An adult dog with moderate activity level needs about 2500 calories per day. A 12 week old should NEVER be fed this much, EVER!

I think you are mixing the fact that a 20lb puppy needs more food than say a 20lb small breed full grown dog. That is not the same to say a puppy needs the same intake as a full grown within its breed. That will be detrimental to the puppy's health, too heavy, hard on the joints, detrimental to the topline, too much calcium, since he'll be eating WAY more than he should, and would cause skeletal deformities. And this list could go on and on....

[kayozzy]

That is for the Beneful Puppy food. I called the company and based it on a puppy that would weigh approximately 100lbs when it was full grown. I listed the phone number above if you want to do a double check. Sometimes those reps aren't that thorough, but she read off what she was doing. A puppy at 12 weeks that would weigh about 100lbs full grown. Not that I recommend staying with that kind of food either, but those are the instructions that they give. Although this mix might weigh less when full grown, so that is the other reason I listed the phone number.

[kayozzy]

Originally Posted by groupieindenial

I think you are mixing the fact that a 20lb puppy needs more food than say a 20lb small breed full grown dog. That is not the same to say a puppy needs the same intake as a full grown within its breed.

Actually, according to the 3 foods I just checked out lately, a puppy does eat more than an adult dog of the same breed. Click on the link for the Canidae food that I posted. Puppies are required to eat more than the adult because they use more energy and need more of everything for growing.

[groupieindenial]

Kayozzy, slow down and actually READ what it is saying. You are misunderstanding what is being said. YES puppies need more food than an adult, so they recommend to feed 2x as much listed on the bag per weight for puppies.

Puppies will require a higher caloric and calcium phosphorous intake than an adult dog would, therefore we suggest feeding twice as much to puppies up to 6 months of age. Our standard recommended feeding guidelines for an adult dog is 1 cup for every 25lbs of body weight.- Canidae site.

So lets do our math. A 12 week puppy should weigh approximately 25 lbs. Easy enough to calculate and make this clear. So if an ADULT DOG weighed 25lbs, they would only need 1 cup per day. A full grown rottie, approximately 100 lbs, would need, (lets do the math), 100lb / 25lb = 4 cups/day.

So an adult rottie needs 4 cups per day, and a puppy 2 cups/day.

A puppy does NOT EAT 2x the amount a full grown dog in its same breed.

You do NOT feed 8 cups of Canidae to a 12 week old pup.

[kayozzy]

I think you are misreading it. (Canidae goes by current weight, whereas the Beneful goes by what the adult weight would be.)

It's not twice as much, but it is more! So, for Canidae a 25 lb puppy would eat 1.5 cups per day and a 25lb adult would eat 3/4 to 1 cup per day. A 100 lb puppy would eat 5-6 cups and an adult dog at 100lbs would only eat 3-4 cups.

[frontierrots]

Food: Beneful is likely one of the crappiest brands on the market. Sorry to be so blunt. IF you MUST buy your petfood at the grocery store (I don't recommend that) then buy Purina ONE. HOWEVER especially since the pup is mixed with Sharpei (which have one of the worst skin issues on Earth) I would be feeding the best food I could afford. Some medium quality feeds (not what I'd feed but better then Beneful) are Blue Seal Ultra 27, Blue seal chicken & rice, Wayne Gold label. Do a search here for dog food and you'll find tons of info on the high quality brands

Potty training: stop punishing your pup. He will learn nothing! Pups potty train the easiest if you set a schedule and take them out on that schedule and NEVER wait for them to act like they have to go. Sometimes this is EVERY HOUR! (playing or exercise increases how often they have to go out). EVERY accident your pup has at this stage is YOUR fault. You simply did not take him out soon enough, often enough or were not paying attention. IF you cannot watch the pup every second then it needs to be in a pen or crated. Pups this age need to poop at LEAST twice as many times a day as they are getting meals. For example a pee & poo at wake up, again after breakfast. a pee/poo at lunch, one at dinner time and one before bed MINIMUM

.IF I were you I'd go back to a baby 8 week old's schedule and work my way up. Our typical schedule here is something like this for an 8 week old

5 or if lucky 6 am out to potty

eat

out to potty

play

out to potty

play

out to potty and crate time

noon out to potty

eat

out to potty

play

out to potty and crate time

3 pm out to potty

6 pm out to potty

eat

out to potty

play

out to potty

play

out to potty

play

out to potty

play

out to potty and bed time

2 am out to potty

[bissnevar]

Originally Posted by frontierrots

Potty training: stop punishing your pup. He will learn nothing! Pups potty train the easiest if you set a schedule and take them out on that schedule and NEVER wait for them to act like they have to go. Sometimes this is EVERY HOUR! (playing or exercise increases how often they have to go out). EVERY accident your pup has at this stage is YOUR fault. You simply did not take him out soon enough, often enough or were not paying attention. IF you cannot watch the pup every second then it needs to be in a pen or crated. Pups this age need to poop at LEAST twice as many times a day as they are getting meals. For example a pee & poo at wake up, again after breakfast. a pee/poo at lunch, one at dinner time and one before bed MINIMUM

.IF I were you I'd go back to a baby 8 week old's schedule and work my way up. Our typical schedule here is something like this for an 8 week old

5 or if lucky 6 am out to potty

eat

out to potty

play

out to potty

play

out to potty and crate time

noon out to potty

eat

out to potty

play

out to potty and crate time

3 pm out to potty

6 pm out to potty

eat

out to potty

play

out to potty

play

out to potty

play

out to potty

play

out to potty and bed time

2 am out to potty

Amen, potty training a young pup is not difficult but it requires alot of diligence on the owners part. You need to stick to a rigid schedule as outlined above.
I always knew there was a reason I liked getting my puppies once they were already potty trained

[kayozzy]

Originally Posted by kayozzy

Actually, according to the 3 foods I just checked out lately, a puppy does eat more than an adult dog of the same breed.

Oops, sorry for the confusion, I meant of the same weight, not the same breed.

[sonnenschein75]

On Feed: I definately agree that "grocery store" food is not the best and that rott puppies need puppy food especially for large breed dogs, although I don't know how the Sharpei breed would impact feeding. But 3/4 a cup definately does not seem like enough. I also not sure about how different brands figure out how much each puppy should eat (all the math in the previous posts is too much for me!) But, I feed Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy and a 12 week old puppy at approx. 20 lbs should have 3 1/4 to 4 1/4 cups of food. Obviously the amount varies according to the brand and lower quality foods would require more because they have less nutrition per amount of kibble. Regardless of all of that, it would seem that everyone thinks 3/4 is not enough and to definately double check the amounts! S.