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Old 12-03-2005, 08:02 AM
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Raising Two Puppies Together - Good idea?

I just noticed a post in which a fellow member has one young pup, and is adding a 2nd pup from the same litter.

I would like to caution against doing this, unless one is a VERY experienced dog person. Most experienced dog people will not rear 2 at once... because they know how difficult it is.

It's difficult enough to rear one pup at a time, and when 2 are thrown into the mix, it's more than twice as difficult to do the job well.

FALACY: puppies need another pup to play with

What a pup really needs, is a whole lot of one on one time with it's new human family.

The age of 7-10 weeks, is particularly crucial in helping a young pup ease into it's new human world.

It's so very easy to allow pups to simply play together and raise each other - and my goodness, they are so cute doing it!

Why is this a bad thing, you might ask?
It's a bad thing, because the puppiess are more likely to bond with each other, than with their human part of the pack - making training, and general living with the dogs much more difficult than it needs to be.

They feed off of each other for confidence, rather than building their own confidence levels up. (This is a very key item to note!!!)

They will choose the pup over the human in 99% of cases, which causes frustration for the human, and occasionally danger for the dogs.

A case in point:

Recently, at the training facility, we had 2 weimeraner brothers brought to us. They were approximately 11 months old. We had to separate them in order to get them trained. It took over 3 weeks for the dogs to come to their senses (they were SO bonded to each other, it was rather sad, and maddening at the same time), and even then, one of them was clearly 'dog bonded' and was a real bear to train.

Rearing two pups at the same time really handicaps them mentally for the human world they are living in.

Please, Please, PLEASE.... when you get a pup - enjoy rearing THAT pup until it's mature, and then - if you feel like having a 2nd dog in the house, get a pup then.

Not only is this easier on you, but staggered ages are also good for our psyche - when one staggers ages, there are experienced dogs that the pup can learn from, and, even better.... and, you don't end up sending them to the bridge at the same time, leaving a completely empty void in your heart.

If you feel you MUST rear 2 pups at once... limit their time together each day... crate separately, feed separately, play with separately, socialize separately, train separately.... do you see how time consuming this really is if one rears the pups correctly????

IMHO, any breeder who allows two pups to go to the same home is not an ethical breeder in my book. They simply want to rid themselves of the puppies.

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Old 12-03-2005, 09:09 AM
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Re: Raising Two Puppies Together - Good idea?

Great post. Thanks for taking the time to put it out here.

Occasionally some of us get bit by the puppy bug soon after amnesia has set in. My husband has it BAD! So at what age should the first dog be before another is added? I actually consider my training goals first before age, but those two pretty much go together. I was given good advice from RDN to have the first dog fully trained before adding another.
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Old 12-03-2005, 09:46 AM
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Re: Raising Two Puppies Together - Good idea?

Excellent post ! This happens too many times and then everyone loses out...humans and the puppies. It will take ALL of your time and energy to raise one puppy properly...if you do it right.

I don't think anyone should add a puppy, until their present dog is fully mature and fully trained.
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Old 12-03-2005, 10:02 AM
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Re: Raising Two Puppies Together - Good idea?

Thanks Pooh, for “cutting this out in cardboard” so well.

This thread deserves a “sticky”!
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Old 12-03-2005, 03:57 PM
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Great post. Thanks for taking the time to put it out here.

Occasionally some of us get bit by the puppy bug soon after amnesia has set in. My husband has it BAD! So at what age should the first dog be before another is added? I actually consider my training goals first before age, but those two pretty much go together. I was given good advice from RDN to have the first dog fully trained before adding another.
For the average pet owner, who doesn't compete, and simply wants to have a nice life, with well behaved dogs, I think it's wise to get through a few obedience classes with the first dog, and have them flying on virtual auto pilot before the next pup is added to the mix.

When does this happen? I believe that all depends upon the true interest the people have in maintaining a sane household. How diligent are they about understanding the dog they have? How diligent are they about training their present companion? Remember, two dogs will always take more out of your own personal time, if you're going to give them all the advantages of one on one time that each dog deserves.

Could be a year, could be three years, possibly five... for some, it is never. Many very intelligent and experienced dog folk only take on one dog at a time, and I respect that very much - their dogs are perhaps the luckiest of all, because all the time and effort goes into one dog.
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I have two puppies lot of work!!!!!! But worth It they are getting along fine I separate them when need be and they great no issue except they fart a lot.
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I really can't imagine having two puppies. One puppy takes a TON of work raising. We do eventually want to get a second dog, but I think we'll wait until Barney is at least 1 1/2 to 2 years old. It's kind of like spacing children. Puppy takes sooooo much work.
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I have two puppies lot of work!!!!!! But worth It they are getting along fine I separate them when need be and they great no issue except they fart a lot.
I'll bite.
How old are your dogs ?
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Re: Raising Two Puppies Together - Good idea?

My two boys are 7 months apart, brothers from consecutive litters. I had been working closely with Spike since we got him at 8 weeks old and he was responding beautifully to the training before Justice came along. Having Spike trained was a huge advantage when training Justice, especially when it came to potty training. Spike learned in about 4 days and Justice learned in just 2 days...no accidents since!!! Justice just graduated to his own doggie bed instead of a crate for sleeping at night and so far the only challenges we have had is getting them tired enough to go to bed and go to sleep before taking them into the bedroom. If they are awake it's a lost cause...lol They are supervised every time they are fed and given bully sticks or other treats that they value to insure they eat what they were given and not what was given to the other. It took some work but now they politely ( vs. grabbing...that took some work by itself) take their treat and lay down and eat it without bugging the other. I also take them for walks together and it works great.

I do train them separately to insure they have special quality time with me alone as well as making it easier to keep their attention by eliminating the distraction of the other being there. This apart time is also practice at being apart. When we leave the house they are together and according to my security cameras, spend most of their time sleeping and playing together.

As they get older I will continue to train them with more advanced tasks and skills and monitor their behaviors both separately and together to insure they are OK to be alone together...time will tell...I hope so :-)
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Re: Raising Two Puppies Together - Good idea?

Fantastic Post!

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If you feel you MUST rear 2 pups at once... limit their time together each day... crate separately, feed separately, play with separately, socialize separately, train separately.... do you see how time consuming this really is if one rears the pups correctly????
I think each dog is different as to when you should bring another puppy into the mix. Neeks was 18 months old when I brought Monie home. I had been training with him in many areas at a very high level. Things were really beginning to click with our team work.

The new puppy set him back MONTHS! Oh My Goodness.... He reverted to many of his puppy antics all over again.

But for many people / dogs an 18 month gap works fine.

I waited until Monie was 3yrs and Niko was 4.5yrs before bringing in Chance. That was actually a pretty good age gap for us. (Monie has issues) but we were able to sort through them because her Obedience training was very well engrained. Even when she was going off at the puppy, she would comply when given a command.

With all dogs in our home we have separate and combined training sessions. The combined sessions are a great distraction for the older dog and the younger dog often learns by watching.

Training two puppies together would be a disaster for me. I know my limitations and do not think I have the skills to keep puppies from self-releasing when they would rather play with each other.

I am considering a new puppy this summer. BUT... I am not certain on the timing because Chance is not solid on OB yet.

We have been going back and forth. J wants me to get another crazy-azz rottie. I am thinking I want another chow.

He told me to get both... I told him to kiss my sweet petunias. Not a chance in Hades. Even if two puppies were gifted to me. I would have to rehome one of them for sanity reasons alone.

I personally would end up with two puppies that were watered down on training... leading me to complete frustration.
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If J wants a crazy-azz rottie, I can just send Ziggy over for a visit to get his fill of goofy all rolled into one big lug!
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If J wants a crazy-azz rottie, I can just send Ziggy over for a visit to get his fill of goofy all rolled into one big lug!
Don't even tempt me. I would have a VERY hard time letting Ziggy go back home with you.
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