food aggresive male puppy

[cdfuhrma]

I have recently brought home a 3 month old male, he is very happy and plays with our 2 1/2 year old lab without any signs of aggression except when food is introduced. Then a completely new side come out, he lunges snaps and show his teeth. I have been working with him and introducing treats to the food bowl while he is eating with no issues, but if he finds something on the floor and it is something he should not have and I try to take it away the fight is on.

This is my second Rottie and I have multiple other large dogs, but would never say I know everything about dogs but I have some experience dealing with them. But I would love to have some suggestions on how to deal with this

[AngelBunny]

You're taking the correct approach in dropping goodies into his bowl when he's eating to show him that it's a good thing to have people come near his food bowl.

To get a handle on the Floor Shark, I'd pick up everything that he could possibly find interesting. I'd also have FS leashed to me 24/7 to help keep FS away from things on the floor. I'd also arm myself 24/7 with a bait bag full of goodies to use in a trade. I'd work on teaching him Leave it! and Dop it!

Finally, if FS got ahead of me and got to something before I did, I'd pick my battles.

By this I mean if FS is chomping on something that won't hurt him and I have no treats or he's no leashed or I have no way to get the item away from FS, I'd let FS have the item. In such a position, I have no way of winning and I am not going to fight my dog when I'm not positioned to win.

But, after that, I'd make sure I was better positioned.

[Gunnars mom]

Great advice.

Keep up giving and taking treats from his bowl until he is cool with whatever you do with it. About twice a week I take some food out of Gunnars bowl and mouth just to keep him on his toes. I replace it right away so he sees it as a good thing.

[kath]

Anyone else out there haveing problems with their rottie's eating rocks? Ours grab them quicker than you can blink! Ideas?

[bliss7373]

Originally Posted by kath

Anyone else out there haveing problems with their rottie's eating rocks? Ours grab them quicker than you can blink! Ideas?

Yep. Use a leash and work on your drop it command! I know that doesn't seem overly helpful at the moment, but look at it as an opportunity. Rocks are pretty low value items...you SHOULD be able to convince your puppy to spit it out for a treat (and you should have treats on you 24/7 for these opportunities). You will reap the rewards of this when your pup DOES have something higher value in sight.

[cdfuhrma]

Thanks for all the great advise it has very helpful and my food shark is showing very good progress

[NikoJ]

Originally Posted by bliss7373

Yep. Use a leash and work on your drop it command! I know that doesn't seem overly helpful at the moment, but look at it as an opportunity. Rocks are pretty low value items...you SHOULD be able to convince your puppy to spit it out for a treat (and you should have treats on you 24/7 for these opportunities). You will reap the rewards of this when your pup DOES have something higher value in sight.

Like cat poop!

[chrisnmilly09]

What i would do when he eating is just go up 2 him in a postive manner and be dominate and just take his bowl away and if he growls at u to warn then give him a quick nudge in the side and say no. also this would help 2 just befor u put his food down make him go in a sit postion and make him wait for a minit and put his food down with him still waiting and then tell him to start eating or what ever comand u want to use, and when he starts eating for a few seconds then take his bowl away from him and do it for a few times untill he stops growling at u this could take a minit or it could take any thing up 2 half hour maybe more depending on how much energey he has got.

but it is important that u keep with it and not give up as he would see u as a week link and he will not do has he is told, when he does finally stop growling praise him and then reward him with his food and stay near him stroking him so he knows ure still there and ure not going any were, this could take week
till the food agressive behavour has gone away but the results will be wonderfull if u keep it up and its the same with his toys and treats like bones or anything he see as his and wont let u have with out growling at u just pick his toys up and just keep putting it down and letting him have it then pick it up again and in a week u would have a none food or toy agressive behavour,


so good look and keep us updated

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by chrisnmilly09

What i would do when he eating is just go up 2 him in a postive manner and be dominate and just take his bowl away and if he growls at u to warn then give him a quick nudge in the side and say no. also this would help 2 just befor u put his food down make him go in a sit postion and make him wait for a minit and put his food down with him still waiting and then tell him to start eating or what ever comand u want to use, and when he starts eating for a few seconds then take his bowl away from him and do it for a few times untill he stops growling at u this could take a minit or it could take any thing up 2 half hour maybe more depending on how much energey he has got.

but it is important that u keep with it and not give up as he would see u as a week link and he will not do has he is told, when he does finally stop growling praise him and then reward him with his food and stay near him stroking him so he knows ure still there and ure not going any were, this could take week
till the food agressive behavour has gone away but the results will be wonderfull if u keep it up and its the same with his toys and treats like bones or anything he see as his and wont let u have with out growling at u just pick his toys up and just keep putting it down and letting him have it then pick it up again and in a week u would have a none food or toy agressive behavour,


so good look and keep us updated

This is terrible advice. and this can make a dog that has no food aggression .....into a food aggressive dog.
Since you've been giving some other advice in other threads that is also outdated or just uneducated....it may be better for you to start reading threads instead of posting.

I hope our fellow forum members don't follow the advice given by you.

Gina

[fostermom]

Originally Posted by chrisnmilly09

What i would do when he eating is just go up 2 him in a postive manner and be dominate and just take his bowl away and if he growls at u to warn then give him a quick nudge in the side and say no. also this would help 2 just befor u put his food down make him go in a sit postion and make him wait for a minit and put his food down with him still waiting and then tell him to start eating or what ever comand u want to use, and when he starts eating for a few seconds then take his bowl away from him and do it for a few times untill he stops growling at u this could take a minit or it could take any thing up 2 half hour maybe more depending on how much energey he has got.

but it is important that u keep with it and not give up as he would see u as a week link and he will not do has he is told, when he does finally stop growling praise him and then reward him with his food and stay near him stroking him so he knows ure still there and ure not going any were, this could take week
till the food agressive behavour has gone away but the results will be wonderfull if u keep it up and its the same with his toys and treats like bones or anything he see as his and wont let u have with out growling at u just pick his toys up and just keep putting it down and letting him have it then pick it up again and in a week u would have a none food or toy agressive behavour,


so good look and keep us updated

Chrisnmilly09....I don't want to beat up on you...this is advice that's been around a long time so I guess it must work with some dogs...but there are newer approaches that truly work better and doing what you suggest will actually increase the problem in some dogs.
I had an adolescent male rotti as a foster...he had a working temperment (was a pretty serious dog) so wanted to make sure his new home understood what they were getting and how to work with him. While I had him, I fed him right next to me and really had no issues with food aggression. I had a behavioralist/trainer work with Zach while his new family watched and he showed them how to trade up if you want to take something. The wife was paying attention but the husband's attitude was that he had raised their prior dog with no problems and knew what he was doing. Pretty soon I'm getting emails about how scary Zach's food aggression is...I then found out the husband thought he needed to take Zach's food away while he was eating to prove that he was alpha....so he created a problem where there was none.
Years and years ago we had a golden with food aggression...this was before the internet and the wealth of knowledge on how to handle food aggression...I tried putting my hand in her food while she ate to get her used to me being near her food...and although she didn't bite me, it certainly didn't help her food aggression and only convinced her more that I was a threat.
You WANT to convince the dog that good things happen when you're near their food...if the dog reacts when you're near him, increase your distance and toss treats, then gradually decrease the distance. You might want to remove his food bowl when he's done as some dogs even guard their food bowls. Best wishes.

[chrisnmilly09]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

This is terrible advice. and this can make a dog that has no food aggression .....into a food aggressive dog.
Since you've been giving some other advice in other threads that is also outdated or just uneducated....it may be better for you to start reading threads instead of posting.

I hope our fellow forum members don't follow the advice given by you.

Gina

well it has all ways worked for me and my dogs turned out ok i guess u just want to put me down and some out dated training still does work if not better than the newer updated training.

there are more and more dogs coming agressive in this world we live in and that is a fact.

what i think is you pick the training method that works better for u whether it is out dateded or not and if u stick to it then there should be no problem.

a dog needs a firm hand and if u treat it like a baby and the end result is its more and likley going to see u as a week link and its going to walk all over u.

so by treating it like a dog by being the dominate pack leader then the end reesult is going to be he is going to see you as a worthy pack leader and he will listen to u more.


i guess i would have to show you what i mean and then u could judge the training but untill then dont put me down just coz i could not explain it proper i have trouble puting in to words that u all can understand sorry if im not perfect in typeing as guess we can all not meet ure standerds and im also sorry that u do not understand what i mean.

[chrisnmilly09]

Originally Posted by fostermom

Chrisnmilly09....I don't want to beat up on you...this is advice that's been around a long time so I guess it must work with some dogs...but there are newer approaches that truly work better and doing what you suggest will actually increase the problem in some dogs.
I had an adolescent male rotti as a foster...he had a working temperment (was a pretty serious dog) so wanted to make sure his new home understood what they were getting and how to work with him. While I had him, I fed him right next to me and really had no issues with food aggression. I had a behavioralist/trainer work with Zach while his new family watched and he showed them how to trade up if you want to take something. The wife was paying attention but the husband's attitude was that he had raised their prior dog with no problems and knew what he was doing. Pretty soon I'm getting emails about how scary Zach's food aggression is...I then found out the husband thought he needed to take Zach's food away while he was eating to prove that he was alpha....so he created a problem where there was none.
Years and years ago we had a golden with food aggression...this was before the internet and the wealth of knowledge on how to handle food aggression...I tried putting my hand in her food while she ate to get her used to me being near her food...and although she didn't bite me, it certainly didn't help her food aggression and only convinced her more that I was a threat.
You WANT to convince the dog that good things happen when you're near their food...if the dog reacts when you're near him, increase your distance and toss treats, then gradually decrease the distance. You might want to remove his food bowl when he's done as some dogs even guard their food bowls. Best wishes.

there is only 1 problem in moving away from them when they are growling is that it teaches them to be more agressive.

reason 1- by walking a way went it growls teaches them to get rid of u then all she or he has to do is growl and u back away there for not helping the situation.

reason 2- it teaches them to be more dominate than u witch could lead to bigger problems in the future.


by staying near them teaches them u are not a threat.


reason 1- the more u spend time around them teaches them that u are not a threat coz he learns that if u stay near him nothing is going to happen but this does take time anything up 2 a week.


reason 2- u dont see the pack leader backing away in the wild he stands his ground and the other pack leaders learn to wait.


the point is that by keeping his food from him and taking it of him teaches him that u are the pack leader and he learns to wait and the agressiveness disapears obs not over night but it takes time and effort.

not saying that the newer updated training methods dont work but u chooose what the best method for u and u feel comfortable with.

so what ever methods work for u keep to it thats all im saying and there is nothing wrong with training a dog with out dateded training methods coz they have been round the donky years and they must work other wise people today are using them.