A good kibble (advice )

[AndOne707]

Fairly new to nutrion and just want to make sure Maxx gets all the things he needs in order to grow healthy and strong.
At moment he is being fed Eagle pack premium (due to the % in protein and fat content)
and a bit of a mix with innova large puppy breed.
He gets raw marrow bones or beef knockles for his chewing needs. Have been recommended if any supplement is given to him to use Nuvet multi vitamins.

My following question to you folks is, what are some good quality of kibble?
Heard a mix review on Wolfcub Solid gold food. However i'm not too sure, since people just make claims, n perhaps it can be a preferance in food.
I have had great results with the mix of both eagle pack and Innova.

What are other good brands you guys would consider for a growing puppy and up to what growing stage?
hear are some brands i have come across.
Orijin
Innova
Solid Gold
Eagle pack (premium brand)
Avoderm
Wellness
i have not consider a raw diet at the moment.. Perhaps later on. Just looking for a kibble that will supply the needs of my growing puppy and what stage of their growth.
Once he reaches 6 months I have been recommended to swith him to Wolfcub Solid gold. Keep in mind i'm fairly new to the nutrion and the needs of a growing pup. If you know of any links where this material has been cover, please be so kind to post them.
Or any info that might help, along with experience.
thank you in advance. 

[KatarinasMom]

I've fed my dogs Canidae, Innova and California Natural and had good luck with all of them. I"ve heard good things about EVO, but haven't tried it yet since my current boy is only 5 months old.

It can become very stressful deciding on which kibble to feed Not all dogs are the same, so what works well for one may not be the best choice for another. I guess the best way to go about the whole process is to try a few and see which one works best for your dog. If you read through the nutrition forums you will find enough information about kibble to keep you reading for days

[brunie's mom]

Are you feeding the Eagle Pack Holistic? That's the only decent food out of the Eagle Pack lines.
Why do you want to switch him around? Why are you feeding half Innova and half Eagle Pack?

I raised my puppy on a rotation of Canidae, Adult Innova (green bag) and raw....he did really well. If I get a puppy again...I will do raw and/or Orijen Large Breed Puppy. I'm not a believer in Large Breed foods...they are usually loaded with more carbs, lower in calories and have a pinch of gluc./chondroitin added. Orijen is a grainless food and the Large Breed Puppy has very good calcium/phosphorus ratios...and great ingredients...not any lower in calories then their other line of foods.

Gina

[adam8065]

switched my little girl from Canidae to Orijen large puppy brand and I couldn't be any happier. She is doing great on it. In my opinion (which obviously means nothing) I believe Orijen is the best puppy food around!

[AndOne707]

it was what I got recommend it to feed maxx on. I can keep him on the eagle pack premium (small to medium breed) due to the % of protein and fat content. And he seems to enjoy the big kibbles the innova large puppy food provides. Which is another brand that was suggested till he reaches about 6 months. Then switch him to wolfpack solid gold. Maxx seems to enjoy his kibble and as an incentive I mix from time to time the halo small canned salmon formula in order to eat it all. He is a very picky eater.
Heard great things about orijin puppy food. now in regards of the evo formula by innova, doesn't that carry a very high % of protein? Last time I checked out a bag. It had nearly 58% protein. A bit too much for a pup. Don't u think?
Shouldn't the amount of protein should be in the 24% area and fat in the 12%?? Reason why I decided to post this kind of question here on the forums.

[comm857]

Question to ADAM8065-
I currently am feeding Canidae Lamb and Rice and since the formula change I am going crazy and trying to find another food for her. My pup is 9 months old. I ran into a litter mate of my pup at a training class and she said that she took her pup off the Canidae because she was going to the bathroom so much. Did you notice that and how is the Orijen compaired to the Canidae?

[brutus'mother]

Originally Posted by AndOne707

Heard great things about orijin puppy food. now in regards of the evo formula by innova, doesn't that carry a very high % of protein? Last time I checked out a bag. It had nearly 58% protein. A bit too much for a pup. Don't u think?
Shouldn't the amount of protein should be in the 24% area and fat in the 12%?? Reason why I decided to post this kind of question here on the forums.

The amount of protein and fat in EVO is not the problem. The calcium/phosphorus ratio is not within the recommended limits for a growing puppy. EVO Large Bites contains calcium of 2.55 with phosphorus 1.57. Therefore it is not suitable for your pup.
Most RDN members do not recommend large breed puppy formulas with the exception of Orijen LBP because it contains Ca 1.4-1.6 and phos 1.1-1.3 which is darn close to the 1:1 ratio recommended.
Orijen LBP contains 483 calories per cup which is the same as their adult formula, this is not the case with many LBP formulas. You will often find the puppy or LBP formulas contain fewer calories so you have to feed more.
If I ever had to feed kibble again I would feed Orijen.
Good Luck.

[AndOne707]

Originally Posted by brutus'mother

The amount of protein and fat in EVO is not the problem. The calcium/phosphorus ratio is not within the recommended limits for a growing puppy. EVO Large Bites contains calcium of 2.55 with phosphorus 1.57. Therefore it is not suitable for your pup.
Most RDN members do not recommend large breed puppy formulas with the exception of Orijen LBP because it contains Ca 1.4-1.6 and phos 1.1-1.3 which is darn close to the 1:1 ratio recommended.
Orijen LBP contains 483 calories per cup which is the same as their adult formula, this is not the case with many LBP formulas. You will often find the puppy or LBP formulas contain fewer calories so you have to feed more.
If I ever had to feed kibble again I would feed Orijen.
Good Luck.

thank you for the great explanation... I know of a place that carries it. I'm gonna stop by this weekend to pick up a small bag of LPB formula to try it out. I also have heard from a few dog owners that their pets love orijin and can't get enough of it. N they used to have them on Solid gold..something worth check it out.. XD
how about any feed back on the wolf cub Solid gold formula? has anything been discuss or announcement as far as a "change" in formula or perhaps any problems that folks should be aware of?

[AndOne707]

here are some specs on what eagle pack premium offers..

http://eaglepack.com/images/SP_SMPup_page.jpg

this is information of their website

Small & Medium Breed Puppy Formula

28% Protein / 17% Fat
Calories - 439 kcal/cup
Your fast-growing puppy has special needs. Our added "Wellness For Life"® Custom Supplements, exclusive to Eagle Pack diets, sets our puppy diet and your puppy's health, above all others.


With Peas, Carrots and Oatmeal

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Our Yogurt cultures (Probiotics like L. Acidophilus, and others), provides natural bacteria to puppy's sterile digestive system, to aid in the transition from mother's milk to kibble. It eliminates diarrhea during weaning and helps protect puppy from bad bacteria like E coli, to which it may not have built immunity. It is rare you will find this functional food ingredient in other brands.
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Inulin, a concentrated prebiotic, assures the health of the natural bacteria in puppy's digestive system.
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High quality meat meal protein from meat, builds muscle, tissue, antibodies and elements of the blood. We use the 3 most digestible meals, (further enhanced with digestive enzymes), with high taurine levels, to build healthy eyes and heart.
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Higher levels of Vitamin A assure healthy eye development. Our exclusive SQM® Enhanced Vitamin/Mineral System assure superior vitamin/mineral absorption. It assures that vitamins, like A and E, do not get depleted and create deficiencies, while the food is stored.
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Antioxidants help protect puppy's developing immune system.
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Yucca, rarely found in other brands, is also considered a natural digestive aid.


Ingredients:

Chicken Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Chicken Fat (Preserved With Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Pork Meal, Oatmeal, Dried Beet Pulp, Ground Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Anchovy & Sardine Meals, Brewers Dried Yeast, Flaxseed, Wheat Germ Meal, Menhaden Fish Oil, Dried Egg Product, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Carrots, Peas, Inulin, Yucca Schidigera Extract, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes Of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei, Enterococcus faecium, B. subtilus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae, and Aspergillus niger.


Ingredient Index
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein min. 28.0%
Crude Fat min. 17.0%
Crude Fiber max. 3.5%
Moisture max. 10.0%


439 ME (kcal/cup)

Calcium min. 1.3%
Phosphorus min. 1.0%
Vitamin A min. 22,000 IU/kg.
Vitamin E min. 165 IU/kg.
Sodium min. 0.30%
DHA min. 0.1%*
Omega 6 min. 3.1%*
Omega 3 min. 0.65%*

what are some things that I should be looking when selecting a certain kibble?
n what stage is best recommended for a growing pup ??

[brunie's mom]

Lousy ingredients. Corn is the second ingredient...and the rest are not all that great. If you want to feed Eagle Pack the Holistic one is the best...the rest are not that good.
Orijen Large Breed is so much better.

Gina

[adam8065]

Originally Posted by comm857

Question to ADAM8065-
I currently am feeding Canidae Lamb and Rice and since the formula change I am going crazy and trying to find another food for her. My pup is 9 months old. I ran into a litter mate of my pup at a training class and she said that she took her pup off the Canidae because she was going to the bathroom so much. Did you notice that and how is the Orijen compaired to the Canidae?

Orijen is better quality food than Canidae, there is absolutely no comparsion to it. I took Zoey off Canidae because she started getting loose stools all of a sudden. The first week on Orijen she had loose stools because I switched her cold turkey, instead of mixing the two. She seems to drink a lot more water because there is so much more protein in Orijen, but when she does number two it is a lot less than before.

[brutus'mother]

I have never fed any of the Solid Gold formulas. When I was researching kibbles it never made the cut for what I was looking for. The second ingredient is corn so I wouldn't bother looking further down the list. No corn needed. You can definitely feed better than that.

[AndOne707]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

Lousy ingredients. Corn is the second ingredient...and the rest are not all that great. If you want to feed Eagle Pack the Holistic one is the best...the rest are not that good.
Orijen Large Breed is so much better.

Gina

thank you!!!! I assure u that i'm picking up a sample bag today for my growing pup..
he is turning 3.5 months...
Heard so many things.. question.. the high amount of protein won't affect anything?? compare to other diets of course...
n thank you again ...

[brunie's mom]

We have quite a few puppy owner's here raising their dogs on the LB Orijen and they are very happy with the results. The high protein does not seem to be doing anything but good. Raw diets are also high in protein..and dogs seem to thrive on raw.

I've not raised a puppy on Orijen...but my two adult dogs have been eating Orijen since it has come out...and done very well on it. One is a 10 year old senior and has been handling the high protein well.

Gina

[moondog]

Originally Posted by brutus'mother

I have never fed any of the Solid Gold formulas. When I was researching kibbles it never made the cut for what I was looking for. The second ingredient is corn so I wouldn't bother looking further down the list. No corn needed. You can definitely feed better than that.

You must be confused - Solid Gold foods don't contain ANY corn that I can see....show us where it is, please:

Dry Foods

AndOne707 - the Orijen Large Breed Puppy is a good choice. I fed my dog Solid Gold Hundchen Flocken Puppy (regular puppy not the Wolf Cub) until she was 18 months - half and half with prepared raw. She did great on it.