Nutro Large Breed Puppy Controlled Growth

[brutuspuppy]

I have a 5 month old male Rottie on this food and was wondering if anyone has had good experience with it. Im aware folks on this site arent too fond of the Nutro name, but I live in rural Texas and its the best food I can find nutritionally(reading the ingredients) or am aware of out here. He has been on it for 2.5 months and seems to be doing well, but he is a gassy little fella and can quickly clear a room. Is the gas related to the food or could it be all the other fun stuff he gobbles up when hes outside (cow pies, pecans, corn, pumpkins, watermelons, small children). We like the controlled growth because he is not fat and already near 70 pounds (bigger than our adult Chesapeake), but he had exceptionally large parents. Any redponse much appreciated.

[KrystalBallard]

It's probably the small children. Tends to cause some gas. LOL

[RiggersMum]

I fed my lab this food for an entire year and he did really really really well on it. I would reccommend it.

[mjfish]

Can you buy Nutro ULTRA where you buy this? If so, I would change to that as it is the best formula Nutro makes. I would guess it's the food making him gassy...try to limit what he gobbles up outside as some of that could be "assisting" the gas problem.

ETA: I did not see a Controlled Growth formula on Nutro's site...can you post ingredients?

[brunie's mom]

I would suspect all of the gas is from the multiple grains.
If your pup is already 70 lbs at 5 months of age...I think you need to slow him down a bit more.

If you live in a rural community, do you have any feed stores? Many of the cow/horse feed stores sell the good premium foods.

Nutro Ultra would be the food to try. The Large Breed Puppy foods are usually low in calories and high in grains...not a food I would be feeding.

Gina

[brutuspuppy]

Its nutro natural choice large breed puppy controlled growth formula, it has a rottie pup on the front, not that it matters. I used to work at feed store 30 miles away that sold Wellness(only in small bags), Exclusive (which i was interested in), SD, used to sell Diamond but was phased out, Nutro, and a variety of other crap foods like Bites N Bones and Dog Chow. Anyone heard of Exclusive, it was the premium food we sold there? We dont know why he is growing so fast, how do we slow down his growth?

[brutuspuppy]

I used to work at a feed store where they sold Exlusive, the premium food there. Has anyone heard anything about it? Also, how would I go about slowing fat boy's growth (Hes not really fat we just like to call him that)? His father was enormous though, I mean way out of standard. Do we reduce the amount we are feeding him, because he gets plenty of exercise running around our acerage. He has got loose skin, at least thats what I figure it is since hes still a growing pup, but his ribs are easily felt. Thanks again!

[lblax]

nutro large breed puppy food is an excellant choice ive used it on my last 3 pups and had excellant results i usually leave them on it till 12 to 16 months then switch to canidae. if you could cut back on the pecans and pumpkins and keep him on the small children only diet that would work also.

[brunie's mom]

The gas could be caused by all of the extra "goodies" that your pup is eating.
It could also be the ingredients of the food. If the food is working fine, he should not be having gas. How much are you feeding your pup? How much weight is he gaining per week? per month?
You really should weigh him every couple of weeks, just to make sure he is not gaining too quickly. On average most pups gain about 10 lbs. per month...sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less.

Here are the ingredients for the Nutro Large Breed Puppy:
Ingredients
Chicken Meal, Ground Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Wheat Flour, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Dried Plain Beet Pulp, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Soybean Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Natural Flavors, Menhaden Fish Oil (source of DHA), Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Lecithin, Dried Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Biotin, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Manganese Proteinate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Manganous Oxide, Chondroitin Sulfate, Niacin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Copper Proteinate, L-Carnitine, Sodium Selenite, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin

As you can see...alot of different grains and fractions of grains...which means very little meat in this food.

I looked up the Exclusive food, and it is better than the Nutro. It has more meat...and the grains are whole (not fractioned). If I could not get a better food, then Exclusive is a better choice than Nutro.

Gina

[lblax]

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Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (minimum) 28.00%
Crude Fat (minimum) 12.00%
Crude Fiber (maximum) 5.00%
Moisture (maximum) 10.00%
Linoleic Acid (minimum) 3.50%
Zinc (minimum) 240 mg/kg
Vitamin E (minimum) 160 IU/kg
Ascorbic Acid (minimum)** 35 mg/kg
Alpha-Linolenic Acid (ALA) (minimum)** 0.30%
Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) (minimum)** 0.10%
L-Carnitine (minimum)** 15 mg/kg
Glucosamine Hydrochloride (minimum)** 325 mg/kg
Chondroitin Sulfate (minimum)** 250 mg/kg

**Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.


Other Nutritional Data
Calcium 1.20%
Phosphorous 1.10%


GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:

Crude Protein (min.)
27.0%

Crude Fat (min.)
14.0%

Crude Fiber (max.)
4.0%

Moisture (max.)
10.0%

Calcium (min.)
1.0%

Phosphorus (min.)
0.9%

Zinc (min.)
150 ppm

Selenium (min.)
0.3 ppm

Vitamin E (min.)
150 IU/kg

L-Carnitine (min.)
40 ppm*

Omega-6 Fatty Acids (min.)
2.5%*

Omega-3 Fatty Acids (min.)
0.3%*

DHA (Docosahexaenoic acid (min.)
0.05%*

Glucosamine Hydrochloride (min.)
500 ppm*

Chondroitin Sulfate (min.)
125 ppm*


above is the guarentee analysis of bot nutro on top and exclusive on the bottom what you get as a guaranteed analysis is more important i feel than actual ingrediants many pet food try to confuse people by listing ppm instead of mg/kg so 1 mg/kg = 1 ppm so in the anaylisis nutro on these items except for lcarnitine are higher (and remember the guaranteed analysis is after the food has been processed not before)

Linoleic Acid (minimum) 3.50%
Zinc (minimum) 240 mg/kg
Vitamin E (minimum) 160 IU/kg
Ascorbic Acid (minimum)** 35 mg/kg
Alpha-Linolenic Acid (ALA) (minimum)** 0.30%
Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) (minimum)** 0.10%
L-Carnitine (minimum)** 15 mg/kg

another thing to look at in a puppy food is the calcium levels nutro list these

Other Nutritional Data
Calcium 1.20%
Phosphorous 1.10%

so use a simple conclusion if your dog is doing well on what you have him on then stick with it.
but one thing for sure you ask about food on this forum and regardless of what your feeding it will be junk in others eyes. you'll hear that purina/iams/eukenuba nutro/pro plan are the devils spawn but if your dog does well on them they are good to go and if it wasnt for these above companies doing 90% or better of all the resurch on foods in the past and ongoing the designer foods wouldnt even be here because they do little or no resurch they copy and replace with human grade ingrediants which draw the american dog owner.

[IJF1]

Originally Posted by lblax

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above is the guarentee analysis of bot nutro on top and exclusive on the bottom what you get as a guaranteed analysis is more important i feel than actual ingrediants

I disagree with this. IMO the exact percentage of protein/fat/fiber etc. is less important than the quality of the ingredients (is the protein complete, how digestible is the fat etc.)

many pet food try to confuse people by listing ppm instead of mg/kg so 1 mg/kg = 1 ppm so in the anaylisis nutro on these items except for lcarnitine are higher (and remember the guaranteed analysis is after the food has been processed not before)


another thing to look at in a puppy food is the calcium levels nutro list these

Agreed that calcium/phosphorus levels are important

so use a simple conclusion if your dog is doing well on what you have him on then stick with it.

Agree to a point. All dogs are different, so some foods suit some dogs better than others. However, if you never try a 'better quality' brand then you will never know if your dog could do better...

but one thing for sure you ask about food on this forum and regardless of what your feeding it will be junk in others eyes. you'll hear that purina/iams/eukenuba nutro/pro plan are the devils spawn but if your dog does well on them they are good to go and if it wasnt for these above companies doing 90% or better of all the resurch on foods in the past and ongoing the designer foods wouldnt even be here because they do little or no resurch they copy and replace with human grade ingrediants which draw the american dog owner.

Unlike many, I have no beef with large multinational companies. However, I would question why after all this research some companies are still churning out garbage food...

[debbiej]

economics.
profit is the goal

[trever]

Now is this the Nutro Max or Nutro Natural Choice? The natural choice is supposed to be a lot genteller (sp) on the stomach and avoid allergies. If you're not using the natural choice then I would suggest you do so. It is quite a bit more expensive but well worth it. You may also want to move from the chicken to lamb and rice. I have fed it for years and love it. I have switched a few times throught the years because of specials given to me (i buy it by the pallet) but every time I go back to Nutro Natural Choice, I can see a difference within 2 weeks. It really lights up the coat.

[brunie's mom]

The proteins fats ,etc. must be digestable...it depends on how much disgestable proteins the dog is getting. Meat, eggs, dairy are digestable proteins....
The Nutro is mostly grains and the proteins are coming from the grains. A food could be mostly made up of feathers, beaks and by-products and contain fractions of grains and still be 27% protein...this means nothing.

The ingredients are the most important thing to look at...because they come by weight. Usually the first 5-6 ingredients tell you what the food is like.

Dogs need to be eating meat...no grains. It's common sense to me that a dog needs meat and will thrive on meat and not grains. Cows do well on grains.

The OP said his dog is very gassy...so the pup is not doing all that well on the food.

Gina

[lblax]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

The OP said his dog is very gassy...so the pup is not doing all that well on the food.

Gina

so just cause the pup is gassy without knowing what kind of treats and everything else he eats through the day. based on gas the foods no good ,geesh everything i eat gives me gas