Growth and Food

[German Vanegas]

Originally posted by NCRottOwner
German,

I do not doubt that you have never seen rottweilers of this size that were as I have claimed. Before I saw these dogs I had never seen any either.

I have no intentions of showing my dogs so I am not concerned with standards of the breed. The most important thing to me is these dogs represent what I want my rottweilers to be.

That is your prerogative indeed, however, I prefer to follow the standards of the breed, simply because I love and respect the Rottweiler that much. I want a true Rottweiler and not a giant dog. If I wanted that kind of oversized dog, I would get me a Neapolitan Mastiff, or other similar huge breed, but, that's not my personal taste. Again, I want a Rottweiler within the desired standards of the breed with a functional structure for work ability. It makes perfect sense to me.

Nevertheless, you did mention that those heavy weight Rotties were very athletic, and I like to know in what working field they excel at it?... I really wonder

[German Vanegas]

Originally posted by NCRottOwner
Perhaps I am guilty of not being a rottweiler purist, but I can live with that. I also do not believe that great dogs should be spayed and neutered because they do not serve the "betterment" of the breed. Betterment is extremely subjective and to me suggests a bit of elitism by those who find their dog worthy of the betterment privilege.

There is nothing elitist about wanting a "well-put-together" dog, that is within the desired standards of ANY given breed. If it is about just having a dog regardless of form, substance, traits, and so forth, then any dog can do, including a mutt or a mongrel. If it is about the largest dog, then the English mastiff, or the Saint Bernard, or maybe the Newfoundland may fit your preferences better. However, if you want a Rottweiler, then have a true Rottweiler, and not one that you, personally, think is best just because is heavier than the rest. Again, is all about respecting the desired standard of the Rottweiler breed, that's all

[SarasMom]

Originally posted by NCRottOwner

Perhaps I am guilty of not being a rottweiler purist, but I can live with that. I also do not believe that great dogs should be spayed and neutered because they do not serve the "betterment" of the breed. Betterment is extremely subjective and to me suggests a bit of elitism by those who find their dog worthy of the betterment privilege.

If the breed standard is elitist, I plead guilty. There are many out of standard Rottweilers born. They need to be loved and cared for, but for their out of standardness to be purposely perpetuated (bred) is a disservice to the breed. The breed standard exists for a reason. It defines what Rottweiler means, pure and simple.

[NCRottOwner]

Do you think that the Toy Poodle owners consider the Miniature Poodle a discredit to the breed and the Standard Poodle a hideous disgrace?

All canines have evolved. Even our beloved Rottweiler is not the same dog that was created centuries ago. I suspect the Rottweiler has been bred down in size to meet the current standard. Many considered the Doberman Pinscher a bastardized mutt for many years until the breed was recognized by the AKC.

Personally I prefer the larger headed, bigger Rottweilers (yes they are still Rottweilers) and it has nothing to do with my lack of self-confidence, penis size, whatever. I would not sacrifice bad hips, eyes, heart, etc just so I could own a bigger dog than my neighbor. I have seen the parents of my pup and they are identical to the Rottweiler picture on the AKC website only larger. I have seen them run, jump, stand on their hind legs and do everything a smaller Rottweiler can do.

I am glad we do not measure human worth with a Rottweiler measuring stick. In order to purify our race we would have to control breeding to stay within current standards. After all everyone knows that a man who is 6’5” 240lbs. is subject to health problems and is too big to run, jump and play in any reindeer games.

[mccoy]

I like NC, own one of these giant dogs as you call them he is 150 lbs, not fat
or lazy. In regards to the two different
shapes of rotties one being long and slender and one being shorter in length
and stocky I own two males one of each and my massive as you call them is far more athletic and muscular than the
other. I also have no desire to show I
like the stocky version better but it is
just a matter of preference. Ozzie, my
massive male is in perfect health for his bone structure my vet isn't a bit
concerned about his weight. If we let
our dogs weight fall off to standard we
would be arrested for animal cruelty!!!!

[German Vanegas]

Originally posted by NCRottOwner
Do you think that the Toy Poodle owners consider the Miniature Poodle a discredit to the breed and the Standard Poodle a hideous disgrace?

You are off track. The Rottweiler breed does not have three types, such as: miniature, or standard, or giant size, but only ONE standard. So your above point is totally moot ;)

Originally posted by NCRottOwner
All canines have evolved. Even our beloved Rottweiler is not the same dog that was created centuries ago. I suspect the Rottweiler has been bred down in size to meet the current standard. Many considered the Doberman Pinscher a bastardized mutt for many years until the breed was recognized by the AKC

You got it all wrong. The truth, according to historians and documented records, is that the Rottweiler breed was actually smaller than today's standards. Therefore, the breed has NOT been down-sized at all, but all the contrary: bred to desired standards, slightly bigger than the ancestors of the past ;)

As far as the Doberman Pinscher breed is concerned, you are misinformed; the Doberman was a recognized and registered breed in Germany, its country of origin, since the late1800's. Then, in the early 1900's, the Doberman was imported to the USA, and later it was recognized by AKC, following the normal procedures for acceptance and registry of a new breed ;)

Originally posted by NCRottOwner
Personally I prefer the larger headed, bigger Rottweilers (yes they are still Rottweilers) and it has nothing to do with my lack of self-confidence, penis size, whatever. I would not sacrifice bad hips, eyes, heart, etc just so I could own a bigger dog than my neighbor. I have seen the parents of my pup and they are identical to the Rottweiler picture on the AKC website only larger. I have seen them run, jump, stand on their hind legs and do everything a smaller Rottweiler can do.

Your personal preference is one thing, but the fact still remains that the Rottweiler breed has established desired standards that we, true Rottweiler fanciers, prefer to follow. So, what you like personally is irrelevant as far as the standards of the breed is concerned.

By the way, the simple actions of running, jumping, and standing on his legs, does not make a working dog. There are several working fields where the Rottweiler excels at, but it goes way beyond the simple tasks you described as proof of athleticism. It's not that simple ;)

Originally posted by NCRottOwner
I am glad we do not measure human worth with a Rottweiler measuring stick. In order to purify our race we would have to control breeding to stay within current standards. After all everyone knows that a man who is 6’5” 240lbs. is subject to health problems and is too big to run, jump and play in any reindeer games.

Your point is way off track. Comparing dog breeding with humans' reasoning, will and autonomy to decide their own fate, is just ridiculous. You see, domesticated dogs are totally dependent on us, humans. Consequently, we have the power to select the correct breeding, in order to strive to mantain the standards of a given breed. We humans are considerably different than dogs, so I wouldn't dare to compare human sexuality and social life with dog breeding and related matters, simply because it makes no sense at all ;)

[Grumbler]

Hi German,

I agree! The ego of man/woman have decimated some breeds and have definitely affected our wonderful breed. I have watched Gucci struggle into cardio shape on the field doing bitework and he is a ripped 90+ lbs at 19 months. Yes, I wanted another Wotan at 130 lbs and could still work at 9+ years. But Gucci will probably be more in the line of Graf which is pretty impressive to me! I would hate to see that 150lb Rotti try to work on a field for 3 10 minute session in the summer never mind pass a Sch test. I am not saying that a Rottweiler larger than breed standard can't do it but I have to believe it would be very difficult.

[whitney greenway]

I am sorry, but I guess that this post is going to throw me into the elitist catagory.

I know that for the breed (all breeds) to be considered true to form, need to be within the regulated standards.

They have several sizes for other breeds, but only one for Rottweilers.

[German Vanegas]

Originally posted by Grumbler
The ego of man/woman have decimated some breeds and have definitely affected our wonderful breed. I have watched Gucci struggle into cardio shape on the field doing bitework and he is a ripped 90+ lbs at 19 months. Yes, I wanted another Wotan at 130 lbs and could still work at 9+ years. But Gucci will probably be more in the line of Graf which is pretty impressive to me! I would hate to see that 150lb Rotti try to work on a field for 3 10 minute session in the summer never mind pass a Sch test. I am not saying that a Rottweiler larger than breed standard can't do it but I have to believe it would be very difficult.

You got that right! :)

[Lora Lee]

Originally posted by mccoy
I like NC, own one of these giant dogs as you call them he is 150 lbs, not fat or lazy.

Is this the Sire of your new litter you talk of in the breeding section? Not fat or lazy, does he have a job? Is he active, "not fat or lazy" just doesn't do it for me. Either they have agility, strength, and the conformation to support it--or they don't.

In regards to the two different shapes of rotties one being long and slender and one being shorter in length and stocky I own two males one of each and my massive as you call them is far more athletic and muscular than the other.

Wow, I get so confused how many types of "Rottweilers" are there?? Let me say, if it weren't for the dedication of a small amount of people interested in bettering this breed, there will be no Rottweiler for tomorrow! My opinion is, if as a pup you know that it has obvious disqualifing faults, then it should be culled. Period.

AKC calls this disqualifiing faults, Doggie Bitches and Bitchy Dogs the desired weight is neither too large, or too small. Their body is porpotionable with the actual weight. But I often wonder if some have ever even read the standard? If not, it's at www.akc.org and another www.amrottclub.org. Just type in ROTTWEILER under search, both sites are quite informative.

[RottnKid1]

Wow, I think this is getting complicated when it's really very simple. There is a standard set for each breed of dog. If a given dog does not conform to that standard in temperament, form and function, it should not be used for breeding.

[German Vanegas]

Originally posted by Lora Lee
Wow, I get so confused how many types of "Rottweilers" are there?? Let me say, if it weren't for the dedication of a small amount of people interested in bettering this breed, there will be no Rottweiler for tomorrow! My opinion is, if as a pup you know that it has obvious disqualifing faults, then it should be culled. Period.

Aaaalleluia!!!

[Homerhomer]

the cost of canidae in Ontario is $52, well worth the additional $15 bucks.

[livertw]

Doggy bitches and bitchy dogs.....hey, you're talking about my co-workers! :D Seriously, this a very interesting thread. I have a long, lean female -- she's 25" and 85 pounds at 14 months. She looks like a different breed from her friend Heidi who is 120 pounds at about the same height. How did these two types (the skilletheads and the blockheads) come about?

[myandromeda]

I'm not sure... Did anyone EVER answer RottieDude's question? We seemed to have gotten WAY off track... :D