blue merle rott???is this real???

[frontierrots]

A breed is the sum of it's ancestors. To find what colors MIGHT be POSSIBLE in the breed look at the history and old standards

In this day and age, with the right/wrong gene combination you CAN get

normal black and rust, black & tan, black & brown or black & mahogany as you would expect

normal looking/marked Rottweiler but the markings are brindled

red & rust or blue & rust just like the undesireable colors in greater swiss

long coat

wire coat

BUT you will NOT get the ancient sable color unless mixed with something else

and blue merle is not even at all possible unless mixed with a blue merle breed somewhere in the recent past

[TrishB]

Originally Posted by frontierrots

A breed is the sum of it's ancestors. To find what colors MIGHT be POSSIBLE in the breed look at the history and old standards
In this day and age, with the right/wrong gene combination you CAN get
normal black and rust, black & tan, black & brown or black & mahogany as you would expect
normal looking/marked Rottweiler but the markings are brindled
red & rust or blue & rust just like the undesireable colors in greater swiss
long coat
wire coat
BUT you will NOT get the ancient sable color unless mixed with something else

and blue merle is not even at all possible unless mixed with a blue merle breed somewhere in the recent past

Very true.

Add to that white markings on the chest (throw back from the greater swiss as well). All incorrect for the Rottweiler and current standars, but possible throw backs in the wonderful world of gene matching.

As Diane said - no merle appears anywhere in the breed history. Therefore, mix is the logical conclusion.

[frontierrots]

I forgot to add the white chest.

BUT the Greater Swiss and Rottweiler are cousins, the Rott is not decended from them. They are decended from the same dogs. Their original standards read very similar too. Heck even the current ones are fairly similar

In Greater Swiss the most common cosmetic faults are kinked tail, blue & tan (quite uncommon), red and tan and blue eyes

[Silvermarten]

Originally Posted by rottcrazed

Exactly - someone made an oopsy along the way and decided to call the pups 'rare' and make a buck.

Seriously, Daddy could be Rott/Beauceron -not a purebred.

If you google the Beauceron, for those who have not seen them (there is a member with a merle Beauceron on this site as well), you will see that they look somewhat in between a dobe and a rott, and most still crop their ears.

Kristi

I'm the member with a harlequin Beauceron ( looks like a merle color in many other breeds )
As the OP mentions dad looking like a rott but merle colored I would 'guess' aussie as the possable mix . Aussies have a 'blockier' build . Beaucerons remind me of a Dobie X German Shepard type build . For some reason rott X aussie has been showing up in the petstores near me . They are GORGEOUS looking dogs ( just my opinion ) . I've also met an adult of this mix and he looked very rottie but with the merle coloring . A very striking dog . ( no I'm not promoting mixing these guys . Just noting that I found them to be very nice looking )

Attached below is a photo of my girl Blaze , a harlequin Beauceron

http://www.rottweiler.net/gallery/fi.../dec2206aw.jpg

[aranea]

I don't want to sound bad...but it is funny how somebody who loves rotties and should know about them could belive in a story that rotties from any continent could look different! But you were ripped off...and I hope that that want change any feelings towards this dog...He deserves the same kind of love just like any other dog!

[karenandjeff]

Well, like i said before, you must not have read....this is my boyfriends dog and we dont know anything about rotts...just that we like the way they look and we know friends that have them and love them..i dont know why you would make it sounds like im an expert on the breed...and yes..with other breeds of dogs, other countries or registries recgonize different colors...

[observer]

Like many others said, he doesn't care what breed he is -- love him, enjoy him, train him, and stick around here, keep posting as you have questions as he grows up, and post some pictures in the Gallery when you get to Junior Member status! There are lots of folks here with what we lovingly call "Nottweilers" (mixes as well as other breeds). We all love them all!

Good luck with your pup!

[Anne]

Originally Posted by karenandjeff

Well, like i said before, you must not have read....this is my boyfriends dog and we dont know anything about rotts...just that we like the way they look and we know friends that have them and love them..i dont know why you would make it sounds like im an expert on the breed...and yes..with other breeds of dogs, other countries or registries recgonize different colors...

I assure you the Rottweilers in Australia are the usual standard black and tan colour. I have never heard of nor seen a merle Rottweiler. I am Australian and have been around Rottweilers for many years.

You have a cross bred dog and from the description given he sounds gorgeous. Love him and train him. Would love to see a pic of him when you have pic posting rights.

[Sam's Mom]

FYI....I found this post on another dog site...what do you all think?????


It can happen. Remember our Purebred dogs are not that old...they have only been around since the latter part of the 19th century. The Golden Retriever was created from a black water type dog and there was one Golden pup I believe named Nous...he was used as the foundation of the current Golden Retriever.
Most of our breeds have recessive genes for odd colors frowned apon by the kennel clubs. It doesnt mean they can't happen and they certainly do happen often. Back about 20 years ago so called "reputable" breeders would detroy off colored or undesired colored pups so their kennel name wouldn't have a black mark against it. I also have a friend who breeds BullMastiff's, she has been breeding for years top show quality dogs. She recently had a long coated BullMastiff pup...it was given to a pet home and her kennel name was not attached to it as per an agreement between the new owner and breeder. I have also met a Blue Merle Rottweiler, this was a recessive gene that sprung up in this line years down the lineage.
When you consider that Purebreds are not that old and they are the result of extensive line breeding and in breeding and cull the off colored pups or undesired it is no wonder that off colored pups can and do spring up. They can go back to the dogs used orginally to create them.

[frontierrots]

yes but they have to have occured at some point. We've had tri color (black, white, tan), black, black & brown, sable, red and brown, blue grey, long coat and wire coat rottweilers way back in time. However I have never run across mention of a blue merled or dappled Rottweiler. The color does not exist in the purebred Rott gene pool

[Anne]

[quote=Sam's Mom;723824] I have also met a Blue Merle Rottweiler, this was a recessive gene that sprung up in this line years down the lineage.
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You have seen a Blue Merle Rottweiler

It is not possible for it to be a recessive gene if that gene has never existed in the gene pool of Rottweilers.

I also wonder about the OP showing and raising Aussie ShepARDS (sic). Surely anyone who shows and raises a breed would know the correct spelling of their breed.

[Allerzeit]

Originally Posted by Anne

I assure you the Rottweilers in Australia are the usual standard black and tan colour. I have never heard of nor seen a merle Rottweiler. I am Australian and have been around Rottweilers for many years.

You have a cross bred dog and from the description given he sounds gorgeous. Love him and train him. Would love to see a pic of him when you have pic posting rights.

I'm with Anne. There is NO such thing as a Blue Merle Rottweiler in this country. I've been involved in Rottweilers for over 30 years, almost as long as I can remember, and have never seen a Blue Merle.

You've been fed a line of BS about your dog, he is not a purebred Rottweiler - as others have mentioned, the blue merle colour has never existed in the purebred Rottweiler genepool, so there is a cross of something in your pup. I'm sure you will love him regardless, as you should.

[observer]

And, whoever said on that other site (copied over to here) that they saw a blue merle Rottie was, well, mistaken.

To the original poster. Stay around with us and keep posting, we would love to see a pic of this pup when you have access. You see, we love "Nottweilers" of all kinds, too!

[Sam's Mom]

Anne, I did not say "I" saw one....I copied a post from another forum where someone else claims to have seen one.... just thought it would be an interesting post to comment on.

[Anne]

Yes I saw that you copied the comments from another forum. I should have included your first line in my quote. Apologies.

Having said that, the person who was going on about having met a Blue Merle Rottweiler has no clue of what she is talking about when she is saying that it is a recessive gene in the Rottweiler breed..