NORIS LINEBREEDING

[Eduardo-Brazil]

I'm searching informations about what ocurr in Noris linebreeding (2-2 in my case). Can you help me? What are the main fault/qualities that I might found in this breeding?

Help me,
Eduardo (Matilha D'Ipitanga Rottweilers)

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[Thomas Peuschel]

Hello Eduardo,

we did a Noris linebreeding (2-4) just some month ago. The stud was King vom Schwaiger Wappen (Noris-son) who sired our bitch Inka vom Hause Augustin (Noris-granddaugther).
We got seven healthy puppies and one fault (only valid for countries were docking is forbidden): one female was born with a short tail approx. 2.5 cm short. Here in germany this is a serious fault nowadays. 2 1/2 years ago nobody would have recognized this as a fault because of the allowed docking. Nevertheless we did not remove this puppy, we have found a good home for her and she is a very active puppy of 10 weeks age now.
What else have we found: Absolute no other serious faults (the smaller ones may occur later when the puppies are growing up.
All of the pups do have lots and lots of drive, we have started a very early socialization, so they do not fear anything new. The litter is a pretty split one, one boy and two girls are of a very high show quality (very strong bones and big heads, very clear markings, correct angulations and a very short, deep black coat) the others are more or less average in show quality, but may have very good working abilities too.
The result is absolutly in line with all the things other breeders, who have done the same inline mating before, have told us.
We are very satisfied with the result of our litter, because of this we have kept both boys for our own.

Kind Rotti-Regards

Petra and Thomas Peuschel
ADRK-Zwinger "von der Zant"

[1StRott]

Does Noris produce bad bites fequently? I remeber a judge last year, who would take hs time to give a careful explanation of why he placed a dog. He would pause during the changing of classes to give you a run down on the breed, it was almost like a mini-seminar incorporated into th e show. Anyways I think a dog was DQ for a bad bite. The judge got on th e subject of popular stud dogs that have produced a high number of bad bite as of recently. He mentioned Noris, to make a long story short, have you Thomas, or anybody experienced the same? Thank you for your time

[Thomas Peuschel]

1StRott,

Noris has produced approx. 660 puppies and I have found 15 with bad-bite mentioned in the Dog-Base programm which is 2,3%. Dog-Base normally does not show the complete truth, there is a chance to remove puppies with bad bite before the breed wardens do check them at an age of 8 weeks. Also it is not known what happened with the foreign litters sired by Noris. Let´s assume that the number of bad bites is double of what can be found in the Dag-base then we are at 5% of all puppies. This is not a bad value compared to the other frequently used stud dogs. There is another problem with these frequently used stud dogs:
They do not sire only high quality bitches also bitches with average or even lousy show and working qualities are sired by them. Therefore it is not to avoid, that the one or other mating is not matching together perfectly and serious faults may occur heavily in one litter (e.g. a very frequent used stud dog in germany has produced two litters out of totally 26 with 80% bad bites in 1999 and nearly no bad bites in 2000).
For me it is never only the stud dog who produces faults, it is always the combination of stud dog and bitch. In the todays world of the Rottweiler nearly nobody cares about the bitches, nearly everybody is looking only on the stud dogs, they are judged as the only producers of a litter if the puppies are fine, if faults are coming up it is the bitch´s responsibility. But both do have an influence on the litter which is between 30 and 80% of each parent.
At present you will not find any frequent stud dog without faults in his litters. There are some faults existing in the genetics of our beloved breed which are coming up the one or other time. We as breeders can try to avoid them, but I quess we cannot eliminate them completly.

Kind Rotti-Regards

Thomas Peuschel

[RoseArbour]

We have a litter nearly 7 months old that is linebred on Noris. Grandson to Granddaughter. This was not a planned breeding and this I freely admit. Now for information on the litter:
7 puppies whelped (1F, 5 M, 1 unknown). 3 are alive. Two of the dead puppies had very large white stripes on their chest.
Live puppies: 3 Males. 1 had a few white hairs on his chest until age 7 weeks. 1 puppy had a severe overbite until about 4 1/2 months old when it naturally corrected. 2 of the puppies have very nice head, bone and substance. The 3rd puppy is NOT show quality although has no DQing faults - he has been neutered. The pups are of medium size and seem to follow the "10# per month" rule. Very dark eyes, decent mouth pigment although it leans towards a lightish gray rather than black.
I will be happy to share our web addy via private email. There you will find recent photos of the two locally placed puppies as well as a complete pedigree and genetic influence chart. The inbreeding coefficient of this litter is 13%.
Sorry this post was so long.

[Urbans]

Rose

Thank you for telling about your litter in such an honest and frank manner. If more people in our breed had your integrity our breed would so much better for it. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/cool.gif VERY COOL !!!

[CT.Tom]

Eduardo,
I have a pup 17months now.He is doubled up on Noris..his Father is a Noris son and Mother is a Noris daughter.
So a true double.
He is super high drive,pigment is incredible,eye color very good,bite is perfect,with Noris you get head shyness in close breedings to him.The topline i've heard can be an issue.
Remember as Thomas stated very well, the bitch has a ton to do with genetics.
So in my case my pup truly represents Noris,on both parents.
One thing i've also noticed is pink in the flews not severe but there none the less.
Bone is also medium at best.
My pups head is very,very typey.He also has good angulation and very good front.Tight feet,and good pasterns.He is incredibly intelligent.....and loves Television!
Not sure if its genetic though? http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/biggrin.gif (P.S.He loves animal planet!) http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif

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CT.TOM