Small ones aren't better neither

[Teddy]

My old Rotties were 65kgs and 68kgs without any fat and both were purchased 10 years ago. Both with REALLY dark Tan marking and Huge blocky head and solid as rock. Hip graded 0 and 1.
My cousin has a 5 months old male Rottie pup and weight 70lbs. do you think he will be same big as my old ones? His sire and dam weight at 120 and 110lbs without any fat.
Also I'm looking for a new puppy for my family. Apart from seeing the sire and dam, is there are any other obvious way to tell wether the pup gona be big or just normal type? I'm looking for replacement similar to my old ones.
Thanks for taking time and reading.
Best Regards
Ted

[damp]

Instead of looking for “old fashioned” lines, I suggest you look for GOOD OLD lines, where the sires and dams have been living up to the standard of the Rottweiler in al fields through generations.

A dog like 65/68 kg = 143/ 150 lbs. is far to heavy and the weight can cause many health problems.

Only time and genes will tell you what you cousin’s dog will be.

[Teddy]

Bigger Rotties aren't good as the smaller ones? says who? Jenecks dogs are big, but they dun have HD or anyother problems. Bigger Rotties aren't good for work? says who? heaps Rotties weight around 130 lbs achieved Schutzhund works.
I think these days it is very hard to get Rotties type such as Jeneck, Nero and Dingo type, then some the small Rotties owners start to telling people big aren't better. To be honest, some the Champ Rotties in the showring are more smiliar to Dobermans.
I think if now days everyones Rotties are similar to Nero, Dingo or Jeneck type, then I bet they would reckon smaller ones aren't better.
Just becuz bigger sold type are hard to find, that doesn't mean they are not good as the small ones.

[Lora Lee]

Originally posted by Teddy
Bigger Rotties aren't good as the smaller ones? says who? Jenecks dogs are big, but they dun have HD or anyother problems. Bigger Rotties aren't good for work? says who? heaps Rotties weight around 130 lbs achieved Schutzhund works.
I think these days it is very hard to get Rotties type such as Jeneck, Nero and Dingo type, then some the small Rotties owners start to telling people big aren't better.

Wotans Korung weighs 131, Uno's Korung weighs 121, and Flash weighs 115 --pounds. No one doubts whether or not Eckarts' dogs can stand their ground, do we now? I didn't think so

"The ideal Rottweiler is a MEDIUM large, robust and powerful dog, black with clearly defined markings. His compact and substantial build denotes great strenght, agility and endurance."

I don't find this confusing...do you? Medium large, not HUGE large horse of a dog. 131 pounds is a large dog, but if he is correct in proportion with his height, he is within standard.

"Depth of chest is approximately 50% of the height of the dog. His bone and muscle mass must be sufficient to balance his frame, giving a compact and very powerful appearance."

SERIOUS FAULTS--Lack of proportion, undersized, oversized, reversal of sex characteristics (bithcy dogs, doggy bitches).

Now I have a smaller little Rottie bitch, that can run circles around any large dog. And I have a 108 pound pup, who is a horse...even when his feet are under him, he can't keep up, catch up or even make up what my bitch can do.

Are Large breed dogs more apt to develope CHD? You bet they are. "According to the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals, the percentage of pure-bred dogs with CHD ranges from 1.8% to 48.1%, depending on the breed. Most commonly, CHD affects the large and giant breeds, although any breed can be affected."

[Lora Lee]

Originally posted by Teddy
Both with REALLY dark Tan marking......

Mahogany you mean? Tan is tan, mahogany is deep, dark red.

I suggest you learn a little more about the breed before you own another. www.akc.org is a good start.

[Teddy]

In Australia, Rotties stand as Black and Tan, diffrent from USA.
So we dun use term "Mahogany".

[Mick Trainer]

Oh is that right. Having lived in Melbourne all my life and having registered many of my pups as black and Mahogany i cannot agree.

Who was your last Rottie out of Teddy? Many of the old stock is still around and being line bred on. May be able to get you what you are looking for. However any decent breeder will not look for a dog of such size. 50-55 kilos is a good, big dog. If you like size then Graf vom Grutenblick brought that is, as did Jupp vom Madgeberg. In recent times we had the pleasure of having Utz vom Hause Miles here who brought a lot of bone and substance in his stock. Blickshaft Ashkie also seems to be adding bone and substance. Well there is a start for you. Let me know if you want more info.

If you want my two cents worth look for a dog who is put together well and who has correct temperament before you look for size (all the dogs I have mentioned show good temperament, strength and confidence). You have been lucky previously to have gotten big dogs that are healthy before. You may not be lucky again. Stack the odds in you favour.

Mick.

[Mick Trainer]

I see that you like Jenecks dogs, well Jenecks Quik is here. He offers Size as well as soundness, stable Temperament as well as other attributes. If you want to dicuss him further contact me and I will give you email adress for this dog so you can contact John regards a pup from him.

Mick.

[Justice]

I have merged this Topic together with the other opened Topic. We do not need several different Topics started, covering one subject.

Also, let's keep this as an "educational" subject. I am starting to see "tones" that I hope fade. Thank you.

[Julia]

Originally posted by Teddy
In Australia, Rotties stand as Black and Tan, diffrent from USA.
So we dun use term "Mahogany".

Teddy I also live in Australia and have seen plenty of rottys with black and mahogany, in fact my pups mum was one!, so we are NO different from the USA.


Julia

[Urbans]

Originally posted by Teddy
Jenecks dogs are big, but they dun have HD or anyother problems. Bigger Rotties aren't good for work? says who? heaps Rotties weight around 130 lbs achieved Schutzhund works.

No HD??? I have hade two dogs from this line with HD.

I have NEVER seen a top level working dog over 100lb. To achieve a title is very different then a competitive sport dog or "real world" working dog. Another thing that needs to be addressed is that most dogs do thier breed test when they are in "show weight." So they may weigh 130lb on breed test day and weigh 110 on AD day.

If any of you know of a dog that has come in the top 10% at a national event that weighs over 100lb, please let me know.

[Teddy]

Thanks for all your ppl's reply and comments.
Mick trainer:
D 1st Rottie we had was bought from Victoria, the owner of that kennel imported 2 Rotties from Austria and we were so impressed by their head size, built and temperament, (both dogs aren't scare of anything or any noise! Not like the show type ones!) That guy is not into show business, so he told us he is not a member of RCV. But all his dogs got hip scored and eyes and elbow and mouth tested. After few visits to that kennel, we bought a pup from them. At age 18months, he stands 28inch and weight 68kgs and hip graded 0.
The other one is from KAROUSEL"S TAG A LONG SON from NY. My uncle got it for my family about 10 years ago during visit to Australia. He was 65kgs at 18 months stands little over 28inchs and hip graded 1.
And most of all,,,,they were VERY solid. Not like a mastiff with tan marking on it.
My family is not interesting in Breeding Rotties, so we dun care what bloodlines they came from anyway. But we believe wat u see is wat u get. As long they are healthy and well cared for, who cares if they are from local lines or imported ones.
The kennel who sold us the 1st Rottie was moved and they start to breed Canary Dog in QLD daz wat ppl told me.
Btw, Mick, do u owns Blickshaf Kennel??Blickscharf Aurik is a big dog.
I will talk with my family see if they wana keep a smaller one.

[rottmommie]

my rottie is 95-100 pounds lean all muscle......
I guess he is as good as a biga$$ rottie....he sure can run faster if your trying to get over the fence!

[Burnsway]

Originally posted by Teddy

who cares if they are from local lines or imported ones.

Hi There! Ok I know nothing or very little about lines and show dogs but I do know you better be carefule with that "who cares" saying. I made the mistake of saying that before and it was taken wrong but I dearly understand why. Dogs out of standard can be great pets just as mutts can. I have seen Mutts do a better job then many Purebreds in a ring, and vica versa..and yes their are rings and work for mutts and out of standard dogs. But when we are talking Purebred, it is a must that society does what they can to better that breed. To me anyone purposly breeding dogs out of standard for there breed is wrong. There are just to many dogs and mutts and rescues at this time that breeding should be kept for perfecting a breed to what it is suppose to be. And Teddy I may be wrong but as far as hip problems and other problems...no matter what breed you are talking about...the bigger they are to their frame the more trouble they are going to have. I have just seen to many Rotts on the "big side" walking and in a lot of pain. Now with that said I dont own a purebred..all my dogs are mutts so obviously out of standard, but I just cant vision a Rott over 120 pounds being able to do top levels work as Urban stated. Doesn't mean that they arent as special and have a place in the world though.....:D

[Teddy]

To me anyone purposly breeding dogs just becuz the dogs has so called well known bloodline is wrong!!
My neighbour's Rottie was bought from RCV with all scored passed. His owner is very proud of him cuz the dam of the dog was AUST. CHAMPION and sire was Multi-V rated.
But it is too friendly that it would let everyone enter in owners house and it just licking their hands. It would eat any food ppl offer to it. And it always ran back into the house once the mower engine starts or anyother loud noise. His head is "doberman" compare to my old ones.
On the other hand, my old ones were never from Champion bloodlines and they never been protection or similar trained. But they are very stable dogs, they never attacked anyone or any dog when I took them out in street or in park. But once family is away, they would let no one enter the front yard. 1 of my friend was nearly got bitten when he try to offer pizza to my dog outside the fence. Also when my dogs having marrow bones on the lawn, they ignore the mower 100%.
Nearly all my friends has Rotties. Most of them purchased from RCV breeder. But none of them can compare to "old fashione" ones wether on temerament or built or size.
So I would never buy a dog just becuz it has a well known or champ bloodlines. I think not all heathly Rotties should be allow to breed. A healthy Rottie doesn't means it is good enough to use for breeding. And dat is what happend these days among some the breeders. They think as long as their dogs are disease free they will produce top puppies. I dun think so!