Trying to find cool collar for my rottie

[BradBeyer]

I am sorry I was not trying to sound hateful or mad...I was just saying that I hate to have people not come back and learn more because they were belittled or treated rudely.

Sorry if it was sounding rude...I am relaxed :-)

Brad

[Skip]

Originally Posted by BradBeyer

....i So why not help with what fillcee85 is asking for and not your opinion on why fillcee85 should not get one.

JUST MY 2 CENTS

Brad

because we choose to help the future of the breed. That's priority #1. Spiked collars don't do that, and that ain't cool.

[BradBeyer]

Skip I agree that priority #1 is helping the future of the breed but do you think bad of a small breed dog with a spike collar? Maybe instead of taking the frustration we have with people being irresponsible we try and educate them and to tell you the truth I don't see how a collar is going to do that. People look at the Dog before they ever see the collar.

Brad

[JoJo]

All in the eyes of the beholder they say. Personally for me, everytime I see a spike collar the first thing that comes to my mind is "fighting" as these collars have their purpose. The spikes prevent harm to the dog's neck. So yes, I'm with Skip on this one. We have enough BS with BSL to fuel it more with "novelty" collars.

Now, if you told me that you "worked" your dog and he was PP trained and was on the streets with you doing your job, I would say good for you for protecting your dog.

That's just my 2 cents.

[Snow]

I also bought a semi-spiked, leather Harley collar - but for our Pug puppy , couldn't resist.
My Rottie just has a plain, brown leather collar, more for practicality sake than for looks - she is in training and is also prone to "leaning" on you... I'll bet that hurts!

[tatertot]

I know the OP was not looking for a debate on spiky collars; however, since this thread seems to be going that way, here's my opinion. I had a spiked collar for my first rottie, Pepsi. She was very small and very feminine looking. Looking back at the negative response we had while in public, I think I could have helped the situation. When I went out with a cute bandana on her we received plenty of smiles. I choose not to have a spiked collar for my male, Taser. Some people already move out of my way when we're walking and that is not the image I choose to portray. I picked up a cool looking camo collar and bandana instead. The spikes also hurt my leg when she bumped into me and scratched up my walls. To answer your question about where we got it...I have seen them in most big chain pet stores.

[Marcino]

Originally Posted by BradBeyer

Skip I agree that priority #1 is helping the future of the breed but do you think bad of a small breed dog with a spike collar? Maybe instead of taking the frustration we have with people being irresponsible we try and educate them and to tell you the truth I don't see how a collar is going to do that. People look at the Dog before they ever see the collar.

Brad

Here's the thing... small dogs who are agressive and bite don't make the headlines, Rottweilers always do!... so it doesn't really matter what small dogs wear in my opinion. It is so important as a Rottweiler owner to try and portray our breed in the best possible light.

I will be honest with all of you...there is a teenage boy in my neighbourhood who has a really tough looking pitbull (I'm sure the dog is probably a big sweetheart). The kid walks this dog on a spiked collar and a thick chain leash. Also, the dog is unaltered. When I see them I immediately pass judgement each and everytime... I see a young lad out there trying to prove something with his "mean" looking dog. Had he had his dog on a normal collar, or even a prong with a normal leash... I wouldn't even think about it. I also see other peoples reactions to the this dog and I can assure you it is not positive. People even cross the street when they see Chino and I trotting up the sidewalk and my dog is a great big old pussycat.

As wrong as it is, it is just human nature to think this way. We are fed so much through the media that eventually it gets to you.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by BradBeyer

Skip I agree that priority #1 is helping the future of the breed but do you think bad of a small breed dog with a spike collar?...People look at the Dog before they ever see the collar.

I'm not Skip, but I'll answer this.

YES, I think poorly of any dog I see wearing a spike collar. And I see the collar first, then the dog, as I'm betting most people do.

A dog wearing a spiked collar says "I need protection"....so I ask myself "from what?" Well, the only logical conclusion to draw is protection from an attack, which is what spiked collars were designed for in the first place and very much look the part. Why would a dog in a civilized society need protection from attack on a regular basis if they weren't looking for trouble?

No matter the breed, a spiked collar isn't cute....it very clearly portrays that the dog must have frequent enough life threatening encounters (aka dog fights) that its owner deemed it necessary to keep him from getting his throat ripped out. That's a dog I'd question the basic temperament and obedience level of and yes, it would put me off regardless of breed.

[TrinaJ]

I am not back peddling here so please dont get me wrong, but after reading more informative posts (not ones just getting stuck into a person for their taste) here and actually finding out WHAT a spiked collar was made/used for, I can see why it would be in the best interests of our breed not to use them.

I honestly never knew they were used for protection against other dogs in fights, I honestly thought they were an extention of the handlers taste (not a taste that everyone will like). Jett has a simple black collar for everyday use and a correction collar which is required for training at the rotty club and on saturday training.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by MikeT66

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A question is asked about a spiked collar and where to get one. That was the question plain and simple. The OP didnt ask for everyones opinion on why they shouldnt get one. .

The question was plain and simple. HOWEVER, some people didn't realize that wearing a spiked collar creates a stronger issue than just that. For those of us that are very concerned about the future of the breed, a lot more needs to be explained about the collar (and I apologize for not explaining more in my original replies). Since then, many knowledgable people have explained how these spiked collars add to the problems facing the rottweiler that we enjoy owning. If people want to own this great breed, then they have a responsibility to keep that dog in a manner that does not add fuel to the fire to take them away. It's that plain and simple.

[poohbearsmom]

Mike,

In 40 some odd responses, I counted a handful of people who suggested that a spiked collar was not a good idea due to public perception.

There were many links given in this thread that provided the OP with options of buying spike and similar collars - along with links that provided information on alternative collars.

I would think that your responses had been deleted because perhaps you were not thinking of the BREED, but thinking of your personal rights. You do indeed have the right to put whatever collar you want on your dog, go for it, but be prepared for a certain amount of backlash from those who truly invest their time into education and the irradication of ignorance. *hint hint - "ignorance" is not derrogatory:

ig·no·rance
Pronunciation: \ˈig-n(ə-)rən(t)s\
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
: the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness

(Definition courtesy of Miriam Webster Dictionary online)

When you choose to use a spiked collar, you are not only doing damage to the public perception of YOUR dog, you are damaging the public perception of MY dog and Rottweilers in general. Speaking for myself, when you or anyone for that matter, damage the public's perception of MY dog, that pisses me off. I spend the majority of my time training my dogs, teaching people about responsible dog ownership and educating others so that they may find mutually rewarding relationships with their furry friends. So when someone else's actions undo the hard work I put in, well, you can understand how I might be a little passionate about things. Same goes for other people who also take Rottweiler ownership VERY seriously. If you want to dress something up, get a Barbie Doll.

I will repeat myself again; it impresses people more to have a well trained, under control, safe dog in public. If one's agenda is to have a "cool" dog, then one should train the dog and teach it skills that benefit the breed, and even dogs in general. I personally am more impressed with people who put time, money and effort into training, rather than money into unecessary trinkets.

You've only been on this forum a short time, Mike, I invite you to stick around and be educated yourself. Sometimes it's a good thing to forego one's "personal rights", and worry more about our "pet ownership rights" for which we have been in constant battle for for years now. If you'd care to do something positive for the greater good of all, I invite you with open arms to do so.

My 7 centavos.

[brunie's mom]

When looking for an item...google is your best friend. Just do a google seach for 'spiked dog collars'...and I'm sure you can find hundreds of websites that sell them.

I'm with the other's, when I see some dog wearing a spiked collar it means to me that that dog is bad...and it must be used for fighting. Why would anyone think anything else about the dog?? Sadly it's young men that often think their dogs need to be wearing these items. It must make them feel more macho?

I know my son (young adult male) said we should get a spiked collar for Baxter...and I said over my dead body...and explained to him what this collar was meant for. He did not realize it was to protect fighting dogs necks...he thought it was cool.

I'm sure our opinions don't matter when someone is determined to do what they want...I have other pet peeves about collars too. Can't stand big choke chains used as everyday collars on our dogs, or pinch collars left on dogs and used as everyday collars either. I see this all of the time.

I had a collection of spiked collars that I threw in the garbage...many foster Rotts pulled from the shelter were wearing them...and they were usually called some horrible name such as "Scum", "Killer", "Maggot",etc. The public thinks of this breed as bad ass....and then when named some tough name, and add a spiked collar....it's very hard to change this perception.

Gina

[fillcee85]

i never knew spiked collars were for fighting and protecting the neck. Sorry I am not informed. and will probably not get a spiked collar. I agree with both sides.

[stale]

wow, i wonder how many new members we manage to retain?

for a site that's putative goal is education, we sure come off as an abrasive bunch, eh?

NewUser: i have a question about XXXXX?

Community at large: (swinging the opinion/education club straight at the temple, then into the ribs while they're confused.) "you are wrong wrong wrong!!!! this is what we say you should do, you horrible scum you!!!"

and, to the OP, hope the 5-6 actual responses to your question were useful. and don't mind the community at large - (/sarcasm) we know what's good for you and your dog better than you do, eh? (/sacasm off).

stale

[JoJo]

And Stale, that's why BSL is knocking down the doors in Canada too. It's the "lack of" knowledge and the willy nilly attitude that you seem to have that I'm sure contributes to it., Eh?! (That's sarcasm also! )