what is the difference between German bred and American bred???

[bleh60]

I agree I think that it comes from BYB's. Breeding crappy conformation byb dogs over the years has given the general public a lot of taller, skinny not as blocky headed rottweilers. Thus another BYB will claim they have the real thing the 'stockier, bulkier real german rotts'. I think thats one of the ways it came about.


Tho I do agree, akitas have their differences, and so do dobermans with Am lines vs Euro. the build is different.

[fbkeays]

The only way I would put down $3-4K for a puppy was if the dog came with a 24k solid gold collar. The people that are charging that only get that from people who don't know better. As the saying goes, a sucker is born every minute. They are counting on the population of suckers to make their living. It is good that you are questioning this.

[Teresa]

I'm always amazed that people can get 3-4K for a puppy, because it has a "German" pedigree. Every single one of these types of breeders I have looked into have sparse/incomplete health testing (we know they are healthy, if not they couldn't do "the work"), no verifiable accomplishments in conformation (a V rating or two is *completely* dependent on the judge, who can be your uncle Bob if a non-sanctioned show), and many don't even have a Sch title. Just big dogs with European sounding pedigrees, a lot of tall talk, and an astromical price tag.

A VERY well bred, show prospect puppy (meaning CHIC clear parents, grandparents; CH parents and grandparents, and a working title of some kind on two generations) shouldn't be more than 1500-2000 from a genuine COE breeder. Pets should be a third to a half of that, with an agreement to spay and neuter.

There is no appreciable difference in the standard between here and Germany - in fact, most of the expensive "import lines" stuff hyped up these days is actually from Yugo, with a German/Belg background. Usually there are not even good photographs, just unpronouncable names and a sales pitch.

I'm always having people on the street tell me my dogs are "German". Nope - 4th or 5th generation American bred (some German/Dutch about 4 gens back)...they are just close enough to the standard to look like what people imagine a German dog should look like.

[Teresa]

And...major warning flags:

Taking credit cards, advertised "ship anywhere", no invesitagation of you as a potential owner, large non-refundable deposits, not getting to pick your own puppy, everything claimed as show quality, any health guarantee that requires you euthanize or return dog to the breeder.

[gilby00]

Originally Posted by Teresa

And...major warning flags:

Taking credit cards, advertised "ship anywhere", no invesitagation of you as a potential owner, large non-refundable deposits, not getting to pick your own puppy, everything claimed as show quality, any health guarantee that requires you euthanize or return dog to the breeder.

I agree with all except picking your own puppy. my very first litter I let people pick themselves, I had problems after that. Then I started picking 2 pups that I felt were the best matches. Then the new parents could pick between the two, I have yet to have any issues what so ever with this method

[Teresa]

I agree - figuring out which puppy fits which home is an important process. Breeders that do some testing, and then discuss the home situation, goals for puppy, etc...then it should be a joint decision, and if the breeder feels it is a bad match (I've done this), then hopefully you know them well enough by then to make them understand. I don't do deposits, but I was more concerned with the - send us your credit card deposit (not refundable under any circumstance) and then we ship you a puppy - our choice. Those types will also switch around between litters, but not really do much to match pup to people. That's really what I was getting at.

[Weily4Life]

Originally Posted by OnyxGold1

Personally I always find it funny when people ask me if my rottweilers are American or German......I always tell them NEITHER.......being as how we're in Canada my rottweilers are CANADIAN rottweilers

Heather Peters

Occasionally, when I have had this question, I tell them they are Roman. That sure throws them for a loop.

[Shane]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

Occasionally, when I have had this question, I tell them they are Roman. That sure throws them for a loop.

That's the best answer I've heard yet! Confusing, yet correct!

[AndreNMike]

my breeder told me that the father of my rottie was full german and the mom was 3 quarters german quarter american....how would i know if my dog is german or not? he's going to weigh about 160-170lbs..if that makes a difference?

[Maxxx]

Originally Posted by AndreNMike

my breeder told me that the father of my rottie was full german and the mom was 3 quarters german quarter american....how would i know if my dog is german or not? he's going to weigh about 160-170lbs..if that makes a difference?

If your pup was born in Canada, he's a Canadian Rottie You should check out the AKC/CKC standard vs. the FCI standard to get an idea of the difference. The main one is height and tail. European rotts are an inch shorter (allowable height) and all have tails. Other than that, a rottie from North America or Germany are the same, as long as they conform to breed standard. You'll see that any rottie that's 160-170 lbs is way too big

[OnyxGold1]

Originally Posted by AndreNMike

....how would i know if my dog is german or not? he's going to weigh about 160-170lbs..if that makes a difference?

The only way that your pup is "GERMAN" is if he was imported by you from a breeder in Germany. He will be completely undocked, uncropped and will have front dew claws.

Sounds like a sales ploy from a backyard breeder over exaggerating the size, etc.

I have a male from my first litter who stands 26 3/4" at the withers and is a very solid 135lbs and most people who see him think that he is pushing close to 200lbs. I don't know why people over estimate the size of a rott. Not to say that this boy is small by any means but he certainly isn't 200lbs.

If your boy matures to that weight he would either be grossly oversized or overweight and I suspect at severe risk for hip/joint/elbow problems.

Heather Peters

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by AndreNMike

my breeder told me that the father of my rottie was full german and the mom was 3 quarters german quarter american....how would i know if my dog is german or not??

Oh, dear.

I wish you'd found RDN before you found that "breeder." What you posted unfortunately sounds like malarkey.

Here's the Canadian standard, the FCI standard, and the AKC standard.

Originally Posted by AndreNMike

he's going to weigh about 160-170lbs..

Read all of them because it's painfully clear your "breeder" hasn't

[zeeshan66]

very useful thread! i had multiple questions regarding this same topic...i always though the european dogs were larger

[JoMarie]

My male and female are look quite different [in terms of being rottweilers only two years apart in age]. So I get asked often which one is the german and which one is the american. Drives me absolutely nuts!