what is the difference between German bred and American bred???

[Anne]

Tail docking is now banned in Australia too. I must say I love the look of a docked dog. Both my girls are docked but I am slowly getting used to seeing the younger rotts with a tail.

[AndOne707]

The reason why i asked this questions was
1. I needed to gather information, since some have mentioned size (conclusion is as long as the dog is the respectable size or accordingly to breed standards, it shouldn't matter at all)
2. is it really worth the price tag some breeders place on the puppies.. Since like i have mentioned before a 3-4k tag on a pup ???
It's very hard to find a breeder that has done OFA and HD, yet doesn't charge and arm or a leg.
The cheapest I have found one is for 600.00 (none breeder) just 2 AKC dogs that had pups. But they have no documents. Leaves a lot to be desire and open to soo many things.
Within Cali breeders, dogs have range from 1500.00 pet quality" into the 4k show quality range".
I defenetely need to keep looking.. Don't mind the price tag of 1500.00 but when you get into a 4k figure and some "breeders" because they only breed champions as high as 5k range .. can become a scary thing..

[AngelBunny]

Finding a COE, responsible, ethical breeder is indeed a difficult task. Many people call themselves breeders when even the most cursory examination shows them for what they are--puppy producers, millers, BYBs, at al.

99.9% of the Rotties sitting in shelters or those lucky enough to be cared for in rescue were bred by BYBs, millers, and other puppy producers.

Best advice is to keep looking, ask alot of questions, and verify what you're told.

[AndOne707]

sad indeed! byb is what makes this such a difficult task. no value can be place on finding the right pup.
any good books that u guys can recommend? ...

[spidey]

It's very hard to find a breeder that has done OFA and HD, yet doesn't charge and arm or a leg.

The reason for this is simple: breeding ethically is expensive (starting with quality breeding stock, training and trialing to titles, health testing, stud fees, proper care of a pregnant bitch, etc.). The purchase price is the smallest amount you will pay for a dog over the course of its life, which is not to say that $4K is reasonable for a young puppy, mind you.

[OnyxGold1]

Personally I always find it funny when people ask me if my rottweilers are American or German......I always tell them NEITHER.......being as how we're in Canada my rottweilers are CANADIAN rottweilers

Although (tongue in cheek) I have told a couple that have persisted even after I've told them that they are Canadian, and asked me AGAIN if they were German or American.....then I'll say "well actually my one bitch has her dual citizenship as her mother is Canadian but her father is American"

they usually then begin stammering and the conversation ends shortly thereafter!!

I've never heard of pups being sold for that type of price 3000-4000...YIKES......I think pretty typical here in Canada for a nice show qual puppy is around the $1500 mark from a COE breeder!!

Heather Peters

[Sasha's Mom]

Argh.... I was walking my dog on a trail the other day...when out of nowhere, a pit bull appeared (?!!) Sasha is usually friendly with other dogs, but I was not comfortable with a strange dog approaching without its owner..... a few minutes later, the dog's owner came around. I said that I'd appreciate it if he would leash his dog... oh no! His dog was the BEST, always friendly... that's fine...but what if mine wasn't? Oh, he had experience with Rotts. He used to own a German rott.... at this point I politely said that there isn't any difference between a German rott or an American one, other than country of birth... OH NO! Did he give me the speech... Germans are blockier, bigger heads and more aggressive... Americans are leaner and more gentle...

*SIGH*

I wonder where this assumption originated from?!

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by AndOne707

...any good books...u guys can recommend?...

Among my favs:

The Complete Rottweiler by Muriel Freeman
The Rottweiler Experience: From the Golden Age to Predictions for the 21st Century by Joan R. Klem & Susan C. Rademacher
The Rottweiler: Centuries of Service by Linda Michels & Catherine Thompson
The Rottweiler Handbook by Joan Hustace Walker
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Rottweilers by Richard G. Beauchamp
Rottweilers by Les Price
The Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson

[AndOne707]

thanks for the suggestions on books!!! XD

N I can understand that testing can be a certain amount (which obviously nobody gives things for free) but at times the price tag that can be place on a pup is just simply amazing!!
My main interested (when i spoke to the breeders) is to get a pup that has a good temparment and a good health. It doesn't have to be show quality" which should bring the price tag by half at least.. loll
however; as long as i'm able to see some of the requirements when finding a CEO breeder should make everything well worth it in a future pup.

[criskers64]

Originally Posted by Moosemom

Re: difference between German and American bred? I am glad to see this discussion. I have had a deposit on a "German" puppy for several months now...a good sized deposit. The breeder said she had 3 moms bred, due in late March. I had to email her to check on the puppies and she said nobody had gotten pregnant... and never even notified me.(sounding funny huh?) I questioned her about the deposit and she said she'd send it back but if we wanted a puppy, we'd lose our place in line for first male and maybe not get one at all. Hers are "German" lines; some of their markings are not distinct so I'm wondering if I better back out and start over. She also said that since ALL of her dogs were show quality, that I wouldn't have a choice of puppies. I sent in deposit first, so I got first born male. Does this make any sense to anyone? She did show me "papers" of their ancestors but I'm not educated on this so I was really confused. I visited her kennel and it was very clean and neat and had good facilities for the dogs but somewhere in the back of my mind I'm wondering if this is the right choice. The breeder is "older" (70's) and has been doing this for 30 years but still I wonder....any thoughts?

I would back out....
ca

[slinger]

Being from SoCal myself, I'd recommend you go to some shows in your area. Look at the dogs, and talk to people.

You could also look up your local Rotti Club, and attend a meeting. That's how I found my breeder. I had to wait quite a while for my boy, but it's been totally worth it!

[gilby00]

I know the few breeders in socal that you talked too that charge3/4k. they have nice dogs, but IMO not worth that much for an unproven puppy. keep in mind generally people that charge that much, that's what they do they breed/train etc... most breeders in Nocal COE breeders that I know it's a hobby, the money from litters goes back into the dogs for titles/training/shows etc..... they do like one to two litters per year. they have regular jobs.

[AndOne707]

i heard a couple of kennels up in norcal..I even had a chance to speak to a rottie owner which lives near my area whom purchase a pup from a kennel im some what familiar. Very nice dog n the price isnt that bad compare to what i have mentioned. To be quite honest, i'm more interested on a dog who's temperaments and agilities will matter than a suppostly" show dog who some breeders believe it is ok to charge the amount that they do.
thanks for some of the feedback, i need to meet more folks that are in my area that can point me into the right direction to a breeder that has what i'm looking for..

[Shane]

Originally Posted by Sasha's Mom

I wonder where this assumption originated from?!

People who want to charge more money for puppies.

[AndOne707]

Originally Posted by Shane

People who want to charge more money for puppies.

also those that aren't educated in such subject. Since accordingly to some there is a difference among other breeds.
For example the Akita
you have the Japanese and the American, which both aren't the same, n at times the same can be said with some imports.
People jump to the assumption that an imported dog is a bit different from the place it originated from, then what you have available here.
It's a mistake anyone can make, specially if you really don't do a bit of research.