akc registration

[Sasha'sMom]

Well, I have been unsuccessful in obtaining Sasha's papers. However, I was able to get the original papers for her parents along with their certified pedigrees, also the original copies. Will I be able to register Sasha now? I e-mailed the question to the AKC and I am waiting for their resonse, but I just wondered what you all might know about it.

[nick teifke]

Nope. You will have to get the paperwork from the breeder. Why cant you get it from them?

[JFred]

Francine, I don't believe you will be able to get the papers without a written statement from the breeder...stating that these are Sasha's parents, the date they were born..and that she was purchased by you.

Do you have copies of the parents registration paper, or copies.? Just curious about that. I can't imagine someone giving you the originals. Dogs are sometimes sold as pet only and the reg. on that dog is marked as a "limited registration". Meaning, that if the dog were to be bred AKC would not register the litter. I believe there are people who don't understand the full meaning of that until they have bred a litter and are informed by AKC at the time they attempt to register a litter. If you have a copy of the parents papers , check very closely and see if there is anything checked or marked as "limited registration,

I'm assuming that you found the breeder o f Sasha?If you have ,did he give you any info about why you haven't recieved your paper. Did he say if he registered the litter?Let me know what you find out from AKC.Good luck!!

Bennie Sue

[Sasha'sMom]

The breeder gave me the original registration papers on the parents along with their certified pedigrees and $40 for the inconvenience he has caused me. He said his wife put Sasha's papers somewhere and he could not find them, but he swears they have them. He told me to take the papers on her parents and call him in a few days when hopefully his wife will find Sasha's papers. I don't know what to think!

[nick teifke]

Think you have been scammed because chances are you have been :( I got the same line with my first dog, and I never seen any papers. If you dont leave with them in your hands when you take the dog, I wouldnt count on ever seeing them, unless you know the breeder personally.
I know how you feel, believe me. It sucks :( :( :(

[Sasha'sMom]

Yeah, I am thinking you are right Nick. This has dragged on for several months now and I am so discouraged.

[nick teifke]

Was there a contract or anything where they wrote that the dog was registered, or the papers would be coming? If there is, you may have a small claims case.
If not, just enjoy your dog as a pet. You can always get an ILP and do everything but conformation.

[godfreyc]

It's not necessarily true that if the papers weren't in when you bought your pup you wouldn't be getting them, that can happen, but just for anyone listening IF and that's only an if you buy your pup and the breeder says the papers are not in yet you should leave with no less than 2 things 1) the registration numbers on both parents 2) a CONTRACT stating that the papers have been requested and are on the way with an approximate wait time to receive them. And if papers are important you shouldn't get too attached to your pup, because if you haven't seen them in a month and a half you're probably not getting them and if you go to court in most states it is usually your money back or keep the dog I think, unless you can prove you paid an inflated price for show quality animal that now can't be shown. Sasha's Mom if this guy handed over original registration papers on both his animals somethings wrong because normally NO BREEDER would give up such a thing under any circumstances. Let us know what happens, now you've peaked my interest.

[alexav]

Dear Sasha's Mom,
I hope you are successful in your attempts to get Sasha's Registration, however....
AKC "papers" are not really that important unless you REALLY want to show in conformation.
You can show in obedience, agility, tracking and other performance events with ILP approval (WAY easy to get). IMO conformation is the most expensive and least interesting of all AKC events. (Sorry folks if I offend, I know some people LOVE it. It bores the life out of me!:) )
Working for rescues and shelters over the years and seeing drawer after drawer full of AKC papers from dogs who had been PTS for lack of homes gave me a certain "bah-humbug" attitude. "Papers" don't mean anything to a dog that outlived the novelty and now is homeless.
Don't get me wrong though, I don't agree with people breeding dogs who are not registered nor registerable and selling the pups in the newspaper "Pure blooded, no papers" DUH! And I would definitely demand registration if I were to be buying a top quality pup. I will probably never be in that position with all the rescues that keep finding me and my soft heart! LOL
You love your dog, registered or not. THAT'S what really matters!:D

[RottnKid1]

In order for you to get Sasha's papers, the breeder would have to apply for a litter application. AKC would then send the breeder papers that the breeder must, in turn, give to you. You would then send in that paper to the AKC with a registration fee and they would send you Sasha's registration paper. Maybe you can talk the breeder into letting you pay for the litter application (though it's not expensive!). How old is Sasha? There's a penalty fee after a certain age and I don't know how much time the breeder is allowed to send in the litter application. There IS an age where it's nearly impossible to get papers - and that's the regular registration. Contact AKC and inquire as to what the time limit is on a litter application.

[Sasha'sMom]

Well, when I bought Sasha, the breeder said they registered the litter and were waiting to get the papers back from the AKC. He said the reason he gave me the original papers on the sire and dam is because he no longer has them. He had to have them put down because they attacked someone in his yard. I don't know if any of this is true. When I bought Sasha, I met the sire and dam. He now lives in a different location which he attributes to the trouble he got into over the dogs. I was very ignorant about buying a dog when I got Sasha. I did not know what to ask for or even what to look for. Sasha is 9 months old now and just beautiful. She has a wonderful temperment and is very social. She loves everyone. She doesn't bark at people or other dogs. She is great with my children. I really feel lucky considering I didn't know anything about choosing a dog that would have all of these wonderful qualities. We get compliments on her everywhere we go! People love Sasha, and believe me she loves the attention.

[godfreyc]

Listen if even a little of what this guy says is true then your right. You got REALLY lucky. I would try getting him to right a letter saying when the litter was whelped and verifying the dam and sire then going to the AKC for registration. But this guy probably is not going to want to get in trouble with them and that might keep him from helping. As a side note if all he did was lose the registration slip for Sasha then he can request a duplicate. The fee use to be $10 which you could offer to pay but the litter would have to really be registered for that to work, all it take is a letter from him saying he lost it who the parents were and I think the litter # of course that takes record keeping(that's why records are important) Anyway hope some of this helped.:)

[JFred]

Sasha's Mom
You've made great progress by finding the breeder. You have the original registration papers on the parents, as well as their pedigree. I don't understand what papers he has misplaced?

If the breeder has moved, it's possible that he did apply for the litter registration but they weren't deliverable. I said possibly, not probably. You know where he lives now, you can ask AKC for a litter application form. Take it to him and help him fill it out or even apply on the internet. I believe you can do that now. That's if he did not apply. AKC will let you know if he has appled. There may be a penalty, $80 after 6 mos I believe. If you can get the application and are willing to pay the penalties he would or should not have any objections.

I got a lot of info from AKC by phone. They told me far more than the would have by e-mail and were very empathetic regarding the situation I was in.

If you are determined and having the papers is very important to you, don't give up. Talk to someone in reistration at AKC. I believe you can pull this off. Good luck and keep us posted.

Bennie Sue

[JFred]

Sasha's mom,
I just re-read the post about replacing the litter reg on Sasha. if what the breeder says is true. If they have simply lost or misplaced it and AKC verifies that the litter was indeed registered you should be able to get a duplicate. godreyc is absolutely correct. You will need the breeder to write a simple note that can be mailed with payment. I would however not wait for the breeder to do it on his own. I would take pen and paper, maybe a plate of cookies, a 6 pack or a bottle of scotch and schmooz him into writing that note while I was there and put that in the mail with my own little hand. I think you are going to get this done. You are not a quitter!!!

Bennie Sue

[Sasha'sMom]

Thanks to all of you for the wonderful advice and support you have offered. I am going to see this through to the end! I am determined!!! I will let you know what progress I have made as it happens. Thanks again for all of your help!