What's a good price to pay

[Skip]

Originally Posted by TrinaJ

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I hope the $100,000 was a typo, who in their right mind would spend that much money?

I heard from a pretty reliable source that it was more in the 70 grand range. Still a crazy amount though.

[TrinaJ]

Originally Posted by Skip

I heard from a pretty reliable source that it was more in the 70 grand range. Still a crazy amount though.

I agree. In all honestly, I couldn't justify spending more than $3,000 on a puppy and then that pup had better be perfect in every possible way.

[Apollo02771]

Actually it was 70.000 Euro, which comes to 105,000 US.

And as far as it stands right now, YES his offspring would NOT be allowed to show, according to a a USRC board member i spoke to yesterday. I certainly hope this is changed as he is a nice dog and from people who i spoke to in Germany who were at his Ztp, he certainly deserved to pass.

[Cdn1050]

It all depends on what someone can afford and if they're willing to take that chance. Who knows, that $3000+ dog could turn out to be an excellent show and working dog, and have impressive titles placed with him. I personally couldn't see spending that amount of money on a dog, as I feel at that price the breeder may be doing it for the money and not as a hobby (enjoyment). I also could not see myself spending over $240,000 on a house, just seems really materialistic, but there are some people who do it. If the money is not coming out of our pocket, who are we to judge. If TooBad does decide to get this puppy, I wish him all the best and hope that his future puppy turns out to be everything he has hoped for.

[MarleysMama]

Originally Posted by turbodx

^^^^^ well I've called about 10 breeders so far and I guess I'll be paying aroung 1500 :( for my pup as that seems to be the going " pet price "

Btw the rescue people are charging upto $500 but they can't tell what their pups are mixed with or any info on their heath . I just figure if I have to pay that much might as well but the real thing .

I'm glad that you decided which way you want to go. Just remember that just b/c a breeder charges 1500 for a pup doesn't necessarity mean they are a good breeder either. There is a TON on info on here on how to find a reputable breeder.

And just an FYI...a lot of times the rescues have to have try to recover some of the costs of the medicines, treatments, food, everyting they put into these dogs to keep them alive. Just goes to show, if a resue could cost that much..why in the world would someone charge so little for a 'healthy' pup??

Best of luck to you on your search for your pup!! Please keep us updated.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Cdn1050

..... If the money is not coming out of our pocket, who are we to judge. .....

Ya know, I hear the old saying a lot..."who are we to judge?" I have no problem judging what I think is right and wrong, and I think that EVERYBODY does judge to a certain extent. Paying (what to me is) an exhorbitant amount gives people the wrong idea on what a puppy is worth, and really just creates problems (in my opinion).

[toobad]

Hmmm, got quite the conversation going now. There are a LOT of dogs here in the US that were imported for $50,000 or more. There are a lot of people selling puppies for $3000, $4000, $5000 too. Matter of fact ... my dogs sire was bred to a female in upstate N.Y. not long ago and the pups were on puppyfinder dot com for $4000. I heard the guy got $4800 for the pick male

My dogs sire is no Karl vom Hause Neubrand and he sure doesn't have those titles. He is a nice dog, a UCI International American Canadian Champion but he is no Klub Sieger. I paid $1500 for my pup and he has been to quite a few shows. He does very well and I got every dime of the $1500 I spent for him. He started showing at 5 months and got a P rating. Two weeks later he got VP-2 at the 2006 USRC North East regionals. He got VP rated again at the USRC Nationals. He was V-3 at the NERF show in the fall. He got V-2 at the AIRK Nationals last fall. His last show he was rated SG4 at the USRC Northeast regionals 2007. NO DOGS under two years old were V rated at that show.

My poor dog took such a bashing after that show from a breeder in PA that I made up my mind right then that I was going to have BETTER in the future. My dog is a PET first and foremost. Showing was FUN but now it is PERSONAL. Her dog probably cost twice what my dog did.

So now I go shopping for what I hope is MY future champion. At this point money is no object. I want a house full of nice dogs. I personally believe that anything my dog sires will be far better than anything her dog will ever produce but only time will tell. A Karl puppy would be a nice addition though.

I have an honest to goodness list of people ( 63 to be exact ) who are waiting for my dog to get his health clearances because they want a puppy. I have three kennels waiting for the same thing because they have small females they want to breed to him. I don't want to make just puppies, I want to make winners and I won't breed him to make pocket money. If I do anything at all with my dog I hope that I do it right for the breed.

If I choose to pay $5000 for a puppy you can be sure I will get my money back in the future. I have not yet made up my mind because I do already have a house full ( 6 dogs ) and I want to be fair to them. I try to spend equal time with all of my dogs but I can only stretch myself so far. Two males fighting is also a big worry.

The one thing I am not worried about is being able to show him at a USRC show. People show up with all sorts of stuff at a USRC show and don't have a problem showing. I myself have shown a female bred from two 13 month old dogs with no titles or health clearances. But, there is always the AIRK shows if USRC won't take Karl offspring.


Very sorry the post was so long and it really got off topic but I just wanted people to know that you CAN buy a very nice puppy for $1500, maybe less if you shop around.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by toobad

Hmmm, got quite the conversation going now. There are a LOT of dogs here in the US that were imported for $50,000 or more. There are a lot of people selling puppies for $3000, $4000, $5000 too. Matter of fact ... my dogs sire was bred to a female in upstate N.Y. not long ago and the pups were on puppyfinder dot com for $4000. I heard the guy got $4800 for the pick male

My dogs sire is no Karl vom Hause Neubrand and he sure doesn't have those titles. He is a nice dog, a UCI International American Canadian Champion but he is no Klub Sieger. I paid $1500 for my pup and he has been to quite a few shows. He does very well and I got every dime of the $1500 I spent for him. He started showing at 5 months and got a P rating. Two weeks later he got VP-2 at the 2006 USRC North East regionals. He got VP rated again at the USRC Nationals. He was V-3 at the NERF show in the fall. He got V-2 at the AIRK Nationals last fall. His last show he was rated SG4 at the USRC Northeast regionals 2007. NO DOGS under two years old were V rated at that show.

My poor dog took such a bashing after that show from a breeder in PA that I made up my mind right then that I was going to have BETTER in the future. My dog is a PET first and foremost. Showing was FUN but now it is PERSONAL. Her dog probably cost twice what my dog did.

So now I go shopping for what I hope is MY future champion. At this point money is no object. I want a house full of nice dogs. I personally believe that anything my dog sires will be far better than anything her dog will ever produce but only time will tell. A Karl puppy would be a nice addition though.

I have an honest to goodness list of people ( 63 to be exact ) who are waiting for my dog to get his health clearances because they want a puppy. I have three kennels waiting for the same thing because they have small females they want to breed to him. I don't want to make just puppies, I want to make winners and I won't breed him to make pocket money. If I do anything at all with my dog I hope that I do it right for the breed.

If I choose to pay $5000 for a puppy you can be sure I will get my money back in the future. I have not yet made up my mind because I do already have a house full ( 6 dogs ) and I want to be fair to them. I try to spend equal time with all of my dogs but I can only stretch myself so far. Two males fighting is also a big worry.

The one thing I am not worried about is being able to show him at a USRC show. People show up with all sorts of stuff at a USRC show and don't have a problem showing. I myself have shown a female bred from two 13 month old dogs with no titles or health clearances. But, there is always the AIRK shows if USRC won't take Karl offspring.


Very sorry the post was so long and it really got off topic but I just wanted people to know that you CAN buy a very nice puppy for $1500, maybe less if you shop around.

If you are already "sure you will get your money back" and you have "63 people that want a puppy", then I feel even stronger that you are not really making a knowledgable purchase and are not interested in bettering the breed. If "money is no object", then why are you already concerned about getting your money back, and selling pups from a dog that you don't even own yet, and have not even remotely proven yet. Everybody wants a great dog, but it sounds like you are making a purchase out of desperation, to prove something in the ring, and it takes a LOT more than desperation to do the right thing. While the pedigree might impress some people, I will tell you that knowledgable people will find your reasoning amusing. Desperation causes people to wrongly justify their actions...in my opinion.

[toobad]

Skip, you misread my post or I didn't word it right. I'm not talking about selling puppies from that $5000 pup already. All I was trying to say is that the $5000 may be a lot of money right now but when my PRESENT dog has pups I will get that money back. BUT ... I'm not rushing things along with him just to make some quick money so I can pay for an expensive puppy.

Most people would be happy to know that they have 13 people in advance willing to take a puppy let alone 63 people. I wouldn't even consider some of those 63 people for one of my puppies. When he is ready to be bred I will decide in advance who gets a puppy. When you have 63 prospective homes it is pretty easy to place a litter into great homes, not just homes.

I consider the $5000 only a partial risk. Just about everything bred from Neubrand dogs turns out to be a nice dog and worth it's price.

USRC Preident Andreas Mueller once told me that beautiful puppies never grow up to be ugly dogs. And ugly pups don't turn into beautiful dogs. If someone is asking $5000 for a puppy you can bet your money they are beautiful puppies

[TrinaJ]

toobad,

I am sorry your dog got a beating by a breeder. If people dont have anything nice to say they shouldn't say anything at all There is a lot of pettiness in dog breeding and dog shows. Rather than getting even by directing all of your energy into proving this person wrong, you'd be better off getting thicker skin and just working with your dog because You enjoy it, not because of some spiteful persons ugly comments. Do you enjoy showing this dog? Do you both get enjoyment out of it? If you do i say keep doing what you and your dog love doing regardless of what comments are made, after all its the JUDGE who decides on what's good and what's not, not a jealous breeder

If you can afford $5000 to buy a dog, good for you. I cant justify that amount of money but its YOUR money to spend, I just hope you dont get burned.

Trina

[Skip]

Originally Posted by toobad

Skip, you misread my post or I didn't word it right. I'm not talking about selling puppies from that $5000 pup already. All I was trying to say is that the $5000 may be a lot of money right now but when my PRESENT dog has pups I will get that money back. BUT ... I'm not rushing things along with him just to make some quick money so I can pay for an expensive puppy.

Most people would be happy to know that they have 13 people in advance willing to take a puppy let alone 63 people. I wouldn't even consider some of those 63 people for one of my puppies. When he is ready to be bred I will decide in advance who gets a puppy. When you have 63 prospective homes it is pretty easy to place a litter into great homes, not just homes.

I consider the $5000 only a partial risk. Just about everything bred from Neubrand dogs turns out to be a nice dog and worth it's price.

USRC Preident Andreas Mueller once told me that beautiful puppies never grow up to be ugly dogs. And ugly pups don't turn into beautiful dogs. If someone is asking $5000 for a puppy you can bet your money they are beautiful puppies

OK, why do you think your present dog should be bred? This is making less and less sense to me. So is the breeder only charging 5 grand for the "beautiful" pups? Beautiful for a puppy is kind of subjective, ain't it? Besides, if you want the new pup to "possibly" reach it's potential, you should be placing just as much importance on the "working" possibilities of the pup..and what have you done on the working aspect with any pup before? Also, I don't give much credit to the UCI CH titles...Just my opinion, but I think the UCI is kind of bogus.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by toobad

My poor dog took such a bashing after that show from a breeder in PA that I made up my mind right then that I was going to have BETTER in the future.

Showing was FUN but now it is PERSONAL.

At this point money is no object.

Please do us all a favor and make sure that sweet revenge you're chasing is as sweet for whatever dog you USE to get it as it is for yourself, and remember what a trap it is. When revenge becomes your primary focus, that makes your DOG secondary. Not a road I'd want to travel.

[ponecookie]

Hello All,
Interesting topic, I have a friend who bought an import pup (in utro) and she is of very nice bloodlines which have been mentioned on this thred. She paid 1500.00 for this pup and put all of her hopes and dreams in her. She just found out that she may never be able to breed her do to not clearing health tests. Needless to say every pup is a "crap shoot" no matter the bloodlines or price of the pup. You may or may not end up with what you want when all is said and done. Even if the parents are health tested and have the best pedigree that does not mean that is what you are going to get.
Teresa

[poohbearsmom]

Originally Posted by Skip

If you are already "sure you will get your money back" and you have "63 people that want a puppy", then I feel even stronger that you are not really making a knowledgable purchase and are not interested in bettering the breed. If "money is no object", then why are you already concerned about getting your money back, and selling pups from a dog that you don't even own yet, and have not even remotely proven yet. Everybody wants a great dog, but it sounds like you are making a purchase out of desperation, to prove something in the ring, and it takes a LOT more than desperation to do the right thing. While the pedigree might impress some people, I will tell you that knowledgable people will find your reasoning amusing. Desperation causes people to wrongly justify their actions...in my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. One would have to question exactly WHY you are buying this puppy dipped in gold leaf. For the enjoyment of the dog? Doesn't sound like it. Sounds more like you're trying to buy a ticket to the "top". The "top" of what???? I certainly admire the Neubrands' dogs. They have done a lot for the breed, IMHO. But it sounds as though you're simply on a mission to ride coat tails here.

I certainly hope that your "investment" reaps rewards, but banking on making your money back, and assuming that people will even breed to your boy is a mighty lofty frame of mind to be in, and it's certainly the WRONG frame of mind to be in when one is a hobbyist. The more money that's at stake, the more people forget the REAL reason for being in the dog hobby.


What exactly is it that you are going to prove, toobad? That you have deep pockets? Whooppeee.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by poohbearsmom

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What exactly is it that you are going to prove, toobad? That you have deep pockets? Whooppeee.

Too much money and no common sense. Sadly, some breeder's have "prey drive" for these people.