Is it really a Rottweiler?

[Skip]

Originally Posted by JoJo

Skip I'm going to give Mr. Otis the benefit of the doubt as down here in Florida (in the area that Otis and I live) we not only had sporadic power outages during the day but also a very severe storm last night. He may not have had electricity to log on the computer. Though today is beautiful outside but cool.

You're right...I should give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

[Ergo'sMom]

Whew! This was an interesting thread to read. I certainly don't want to encourage any fiery debate but I have many European friends (my husband being one) who have said that dogs are raised different in many European countries. So maybe if does have more to do with the raising. A quick question .... is there a difference between a winner of a working title vs. a show title? I don't know much about this area nor do I have much reason to know, but if there is, maybe that has something to do with this thread's subject. I do know that Ergo's parents have many titles in Europe in what is called working titles.
P.S. My last dog, Sergei, went into our fireplace for some unknown reason (LOL) and must have gotten stuck on the grate or something because before we knew it, he pulled out the entire frame of the fireplace as he scrambled out and that frame was secured into the brick of the fireplace with huge, thick steel bolts! Neighbors actually stopped by to see the frame in the living room - it was so bizarre! Sergei was fine....just a bit embarrassed and covered in soot!LOL

[roscoe]

Originally Posted by otis

WOW!

I guess I really ruffled feathers here.

You say that your Rottweilers AREN'T protective, aren't wary of strangers, don't care if they are with you or not, and welcomes everyone with open arms? WOW again.

Apparently you have some really watered down Rots. Let me guess now, all of you are from the United States. You take good German stock, breed it with inferior stock (but they look pretty) and come out with a totally different dog.
Wonderful. You have Lassie in dark and tan.

I was referring to the GERMAN standard. NOT the American standard. The GERMAN standard can be found in almost any Rottweiler publication. It has performance standards.

There are a lot of Paris Hilton rottweilers in the U>S> They look pretty, prance pretty, and take greatttt photos. But that is where it ends. They receive awards because of the way they LOOK. And of course someone breeds this animal, and guess what? We get another pretty rottweiler that lacks all of the qualities of the breed.

Your Rottweilers are not protective, not wary of strangers, don't care if they are with you, and best of all, "welcomes everyone"??????????????????? Pathetic

For the individual that asked about my 30 years experience and "titles". I trained WORKING military and security dogs. Dobermans & Rottweilers. Titles? You must be joking.

Originally Posted by radioactive54

Is this what this forum is all about?
Tearing an individual apart because of a post that he submitted. Taking everything written, line for line, and dissecting it? Taking things out of context and humiliating the person. Personal attacks against him because he voiced his opinion. You don't personally know this person. He may be as he says. Retired from the military, after serving his country so that we can all be safe. Perhaps he is disabled, alone, and actually thinks he is helping with his posting. I guess you showed him while sitting behind your computers with the toddy mentality.
Is this what all of you are about?
If a post is generated that you don't agree with, you take it word for word and humiliate the poster, laughing at him, making jokes about him at his expense.

After reading all of your "cut and paste" and replies, I was sure that when I checked YOUR profiles I would have get a reference manual to interpret all of YOUR titles and qualifications. And so-

I took the time to view the "profiles" of the judges and found absolutely NOTHING regarding THEIR credentials, or anything about them in most cases. Not a photo, contact info, group joined, etc. These people have been on this forum for years and posted 1500+ entries and there is nothing about them listed. One profile just stated the country, other one states "titles". (of who knows what)
Isn't it strange that for individuals that supposedly know so much more about the breed than Otis, haven't posted a photo of THEIR dogs. Not any. Virtually not a bit of information on any of these people. And some of them have been on this forum for years. Interesting to say the least.

Even with all of the vile attacks, the guy still didn't personally attack any of you. I think that it is healthy and informative to get different perspectives from individuals that you don't agree with. In most cases it gives you a better understanding of the issues. It gives you the opportunity to view the subject from all sides.

Yet, you belittle someone that you don't even know, then asking "what are his credentials?, or "He should first "prove himself". Prove himself? To whom? Isn't this a group of discussion, listening to peoples opinions, ideas, concepts etc? This was his first posting in the actual forum. Are these people so self centered that attacking is the only way they can express themselves when they have a disagreement. But then thats easily done behind a computer screen when you aren't actually face to face.

You ripped him apart on the "temperament" issue. He may have meant that you have the ability to possibly "control" the temperament aspect to a certain degree. My Rott is very aggressive, but he has gotten better because of my husbands training. Of course "temperament" is a breed issue.

This was the "temperament" interpretation that I got from HIS post.

I just joined this forum, and for the record, I'm a 54yr old female and an introvert. I am shy and fit the category of "tech gal" (nuclear medicine). Being attacked, as some of you have done to this individual, would have devastated me. The concept of crushing someone that has done nothing to you is completely foreign to me. Especially when it seems that it was so well orchestrated.
I sure many of you got immense enjoyment from it.

Is this what all of you are about?

Please feel free to attack me. I won't be visiting this forum again to read it.

Originally Posted by temperamental

I guess all of you experts told him a thing or two. But I wonder who made you gods. Opinions of other people really don't matter on this God's gift to the Rottweiler World forum.

Its run by a chosen few, that supposedly contribute extremely valuable information, (and if you don't believe it, ask them).

If anyone dares dissagree with "our" moderators, guess what? Their posts aren't posted. Just like this one won't be.(but you will probably show me by posting it.)

By the way, who is this DAMP person that there doesn't appear to be any info on. "It" seems to have a lot to say when there is nothing about them that can be found.

And guess who our moderators are? "People that contribute the most, giving us normal humans valuable information that only they possess"

Sounds like DAMP.


Give me a break

otis, radioactive54 and temperamental are all one in the same person.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by roscoe

otis, radioactive54 and temperamental are all one in the same person.

Wow...interesting. Just for the record, I have had posts removed, been removed from the forum for awhile, and have not always been "warm and fuzzy" with my posts, but I have always been Skip, am easily found thru USRC, have met many members from here at different functions, and my signature line has some of my credentials. I have met and respect the "mysterious" Damp. This was interesting....once again, "Oh what a tangled web we weave,...."

[Karyn]

Well here is my worthless 2 cents. My first Rottie was Cromwell. A wonderful powerful dog. He torn out my front porch. He was a rescue and could have been a disaster. But I found help from a wonderful trainer - Cromwell would take his clue from me. If I was apprehensive, he would be watchful, If I was welcoming and relaxed, he would also be welcoming and relaxed. Winston, a rescue, is totally different. He loves everyone. dogs have personalities too.
I read somewhere that in Europe the breeding is much more stringent and they cull litters. I am no expert - I will never breed - I have only trained two rotties with the assistance of knowledgeable trainers.
Judging from German Shepherds - The breed has undergone a change and not for the good. Atlantic Mystique was a beautiful Shepherd - Looking at the one in the Westminster show - my hips hurt to watch it walk. So perhaps there is a difference. I really could not say.

[JoJo]

otis, radioactive54 and temperamental are all one in the same person

I'm good. I KNEW he wasn't a Marine! A Marine would NEVER have hidden behind aliases!!

[Karyn]

Maybe he was a covert CIA Marine!

[Karyn]

Well honestly - they are God's gift to Rottweilers! They rescue, train, show, rehabilitate, are COE breeders, give nutrition advice. These people come from all over the world - various rottweiler clubs and disciplines with ribbons and titles to validate their claims. In 1995 when I got my Cromwell, they were not here and I had to go through a lot of trainers - pay a lot of money and make many mistakes before I got the help I needed. Now, all I have to do is ask a question - I get many replies, some give advice, some direct me to resources, some just comfort and help. Some have conflicting advice - then you read it, weigh it, sort through it and use what is applicable to your specific situation and dog temperment.

My credentials are: None! Therefore, I don't give advice but I listen and learn. I have had two rotties that I have loved deeply. They have no titles, no ribbons - just well mannered, civilized canine citizens. I would not expect them to protect me. But I will protect them.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by Karyn

My credentials are: None! ...I have had two rotties that I have loved deeply. They have no titles, no ribbons - just well mannered, civilized canine citizens. I would not expect them to protect me. But I will protect them.

And you don't think these are credentials? Those dogs didn't train themselves! If only each and every Rottweiler owner did the same, imagine how much better off the breed would be.

[JonandMichelle]

Yeah, I had him pegged with hello......

What a disgraceful human being...

BTW, the REAL Handlers, Trainers, and KM's from the Vietnam Dog Handler's Assoc. would like to extend an invitation to their next reunion....they would love to meet you; however, since you obviously don't have a pair they have a message for ya: It's people like you that disgust us. We don't, and have never tried to go out of our way to get recognition for what we do/did....you are a disgrace to use something that is so sacred to so many who have and do hold a leash in order to make yourself look good. Someday, it will bite you in the ass.......

[JoJo]

Someday, it will bite you in the ass.......

I do believe he got bit.

[SABELLESMOM]

Originally Posted by temperamental

I guess all of you experts told him a thing or two. But I wonder who made you gods.

I expect IF Otis had sounded less condesending in his opening remarks, you would not have found some of us quite so forthright. Quite frankly, Otis expressed his /her opinions without much backup.

Still, I would be willing to give the benefit of the doubt and discuss further. I'm still curious as to his intentions upon opening so many topics. One or two would have resulted in a lively debate.

By the way, who is this DAMP person that there doesn't appear to be any info on. "It" seems to have a lot to say when there is nothing about them that can be found.

You're right. Damp has been around a long time, and does posess an intellegent mind and experience with Rottweilers. I may not always agree 100%, but am still delighted to hear Damp's comments, and insights.

Why do you feel you need info on Damp? I certainly don't post my info. Do you? Will it make you more likely to accept the remarks made? I doubt it. You seem so negative about our group, and the moderators. Sad, I think.

It's your choice to stay and learn. I hope you do. One would think, an opportunity to listen and learn to be a valuably comodity. Avail yourself of it and get to know us better.

Give me a break

Yeah, <sigh> me too.

Yes, Otis, radioactive 54 and temperamental have a great deal in common!

[DROOPY]

They sure dooooo !!! And they are write in what they say. This man doesnt desrve to be treated this way . He maid a post and stated what his opinion was. Some people who posted afterwords ( some!) really looked like asses lol with what they decided to play with...
This site is (#1) one of the best info Rottwieler sites around. And some off these people just didn't sound right...

[DROOPY]

yes post only whats convienient "WACK LOL" I take back what i said about this site being #1 ---- Fake and unreal lol I KN OW IM OUT!!!!

[SABELLESMOM]

Oh Droopy, too bad. Perhaps you didn't quite take the time to read all the posts. If you had you'd know Otis, Radioactive 54, and Temperamental are the same person. That's right, one individual.

Have you heard of trolls? Those are folks who lurk about, join a site and deliberately set about to create controversy, then create alias's to back themselves up.

Otis/Radioactive54/Temperamental may or may not be a troll. But, he sure seems to fit the category. The one thing that would exonerate him were if he were to come back. Perhaps he could admit he was a bit opinionated and even wrong here and there. Then he could join in and learn. I don't see him doing that, do you?