What would you do about misrepresentation of pedigree?

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I was given copies of Raven's parents pedigrees when I got her. I was given a copy of the dam's pedigree in the form of a printout from AKC for Raven's grandfather and a copy of an AKC certified copy of Raven's grandmother.

I also received a copy of Raven's sire's pedigree.

The other day I got a copy of her pedigree from AKC and was upset to learn that the pedigree I was given for her mother was not accurate. The pedigree of Raven's grandmother contains champion after champion but no listing of the Raven's grandmother's name.

I emailed the breeder and she said she would check it out.

To say I'm upset over this is an understatement.

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I am confused:

Did you ever actually get a pedigree for the litter itself?

Did you look the dog up online for health clearances?

Were you given the wrong name of the dam?

Why were you not actually given the dam's pedigree in the first place?

Could be a mistake, could be they duped the puppy buyers. How many breeding dogs do they have?

I ask as I have one litter a year and all of the potential litters' info is on my website for all the world to see, and even if I didn't have a website, I would find a way to create a pedigree for the litter for potential buyers to take with them should they want one before they get the puppy so they can do some research into the breeding.

I would wait and see what the breeder comes up with as it could be an error on her part - somehow I doubt it though, it is not that hard to keep it all straight.

Kristi

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Did you ever actually get a pedigree for the litter itself? No.

Did you look the dog up online for health clearances? I did after I found the mistake.

Were you given the wrong name of the dam? No, we weren't.

Why were you not actually given the dam's pedigree in the first place? I thought I was until recently checking out pedigrees and because I was told by a friend, who I trust, that the dog had a very good pedigree. This woman shows and helps find dogs for other people. Plus the breeder I know and thought I could trust her.

Could be a mistake, could be they duped the puppy buyers. How many breeding dogs do they have? I don't know. I do know that they have German Shepherds, French Bulldogs, a Dobie, and an English Springer Spaniel. They just have just started showing dogs.

I ask as I have one litter a year and all of the potential litters' info is on my website for all the world to see, and even if I didn't have a website, I would find a way to create a pedigree for the litter for potential buyers to take with them should they want one before they get the puppy so they can do some research into the breeding.
In my contract I was supposed to be supplied with the parents' pedigrees. I got a print out of the dam's father's pedigree and that is accurate. It lists the registered name of the mother of Raven and states it's a five generation pedigree. However, the dam's mother is printed out on different paper and is not listed on my three generation pedigree. It states on the pedigree that it is the dam's mother. I feel stupid now for not noticing it sooner. I was told she had her health clearances which she didn't. I found this out from reading another post and following a link to OFA clearances. To say I'm upset is an understatement.

I would wait and see what the breeder comes up with as it could be an error on her part - somehow I doubt it though, it is not that hard to keep it all straight. I hope this is the case because we have travel together to shows.

Kristi

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How old is your puppy?

What were your plans with her?

I would be a little PO'd as well, especially if I were looking for a show dog who I may possibly be breeding one day, that leaves you with a big piece of her background questionnable which most stud dog owners don't like to see.

If you are friends with her, what reason would she have had to lie about this?

If they have that many different breeds as well, I can see how they may not only be careless, but perhaps they are breeding an awful lot and this is one way of covering for their 'little white lies' in their breeding programs.

I would be very concerned for sure.

Kristi

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How old is your puppy? She is nine months old.

What were your plans with her? We were planning on doing conformation, obedience, and maybe agility.

I would be a little PO'd as well, especially if I were looking for a show dog who I may possibly be breeding one day, that leaves you with a big piece of her background questionnable which most stud dog owners don't like to see.

If you are friends with her, what reason would she have had to lie about this? We are acquaitances. I'm friends with the person who found the puppy for me. We have traveled together a few shows with her.

If they have that many different breeds as well, I can see how they may not only be careless, but perhaps they are breeding an awful lot and this is one way of covering for their 'little white lies' in their breeding programs. I never thought of that.

I would be very concerned for sure.

Kristi

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just to be clear

when you got the pup, you got a pedigree for the sire/dad?

For the mom (we'll call her dog C) you got a pedigree for HER sire/dad (we'll call him dog A) and one for her mom/dam (we'll call her dog B)?

So when you got your AKC pedigree it says Raven's sire/dad is in fact who you already have a pedigree for?

But the dam/mom's side does NOT show dog C as being Raven's dam? OR it does not show dog B as being her granddam??

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Originally Posted by frontierrots

just to be clear

when you got the pup, you got a pedigree for the sire/dad?

For the mom (we'll call her dog C) you got a pedigree for HER sire/dad (we'll call him dog A) and one for her mom/dam (we'll call her dog B)?

So when you got your AKC pedigree it says Raven's sire/dad is in fact who you already have a pedigree for?

But the dam/mom's side does NOT show dog C as being Raven's dam? OR it does not show dog B as being her granddam??

Okay, I got Raven and was given what was supposed to be a copy of her parents' pedigrees. Raven's sire's dog A's pedigree matched the 3 generation pedigree I got from AKC.

Raven's dam's pedigree was a printout that said AKC Research Pedigree--5 generation but it only had the dam's sire's pedigree on it and I was given another copy of a dog's pedigree that was supposed to be her granddam's pedigree. The pedigree for the dam's sire is correct and listed on my pedigree but the dam's mother is not correct.

I confess I just recently registered her and received it this week. Upon looking at it I noticed that the name mentioned as her granddam was not listed on this pedigree and neither was any of the other dogs listed on what was supposed to be the granddam's pedigree.

If I hadn't gotten her 3 generation pedigree I would never have known there was a descrepancy because my dog's parents name's are the same as are listed on her registration paper. No where on the copy of the pedigree that I received for her granddam's side is listed the mother with the exception of a hand written notation by the breeder that this is the granddam.

In other words the pedigree that was supposed to represent my dog's granddam's pedigree is another dog's.


I hope this is clearer.

I never dreamed that I would have been given the wrong information. The litter only resulted in 3 puppies and the sire's owner took a male and the breeder showed me one of the pups and I purchased her. Stupid I know.