Question regarding purchasing a puppy

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This is a post for my brother who is buying a puppy from a breeder and they told him that they don't have any pedigree for the puppy as they never purchased the original pedigree.

My question is, does this sound "right"? To me, it doesn't make sense but I could be wrong and I'm hoping I can get some responses to help clear this up for him.

Thanks.

[brunie's mom]

No this does not sound right.
Tell your brother to run, and not even think of buying a pup from this "breeder".
Any decent COE breeder will have their dogs pedigree...they should know the pedigree inside and out...meaning the family of their dog.

Read the stickies in the Breeding forum...this will give some information about what a good breeder does.

Gina

[jlhnokc]

If the breeder doesn't have papers there's no proof the pups are pure rottweiler. Probably doesn't have any health certifications or any OFA clearances in the blood lines. what about health guarentees? Don't buy from a back yard breeder, trust me.

[AngelBunny]

BYB is written all over the "breeder." Tell your brother to run away as fast as he can.

Give your brother RDN's URL and encourage him to read thru the postings in Breeding. By doing so he'll arm himself with knowledge to figure out what real breeders do.

And it certainly doesn't involve breeding dogs w/o papers.

[frontierrots]

JUst because someone does not "buy" a pedigree from AKC or a pedigree research place does NOT mean you don't have a pedigree for the dogs.

EVERY breeder I know from BYB up to ultimate COE breeder have at MINIMUM pedigrees for each and every dog, even if they are hand written

I've had Rotts 22+ years and have pedigrees for every single one, pet or show. Some are in fact "bought" pedigrees but most are typewritten from the dog's breeder

If they don't have even a hand written pedigree then they are the lowest of the crap breeder. The ONLY exception I can think off is if you Import a dog from Japan you often have the dog for months before getting the pedigree.

I DOUBT this person's Rottweilers came from Japan

[dambur 72]

if the pup was bought with the parents and siblings on the premises and they all have good qualities and the dog is not going to be for show then who cares if they have papers or not. dosnt mean its going to be a bad pet. id rather get a dog from a byb than a rescue shelter. i got my rotty male from a byb and he is perfect in everyway. the papers arent worth the ink written on them.

[dambur 72]

who cares if they have papers or not if the pup is a pet and not for show. if the parents and siblings were on the premises and all appeared to have good qualities then the papers arent worth the ink written on them. id rather purchase a dog from a byb than a rescue shelter.that way you at least know who the dog came from. i bought my dog from a byb and he looks like a perfect rotty by every standard and has excellent temperment. if the dog is for a pet then who cares!

[graureiter]

Originally Posted by dambur 72

who cares if they have papers or not if the pup is a pet and not for show.
Sip, snip.

If one just wants a "cute puppy" papers don't matter.
But if you want a Rottweiler, or any other purebred, wether as a pet or to show,the registration and especially the correct pedigree are important. They give a good indication of what to expect of the dog.

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by dambur 72

if the pup was bought with the parents and siblings on the premises and they all have good qualities and the dog is not going to be for show then who cares if they have papers or not. dosnt mean its going to be a bad pet. id rather get a dog from a byb than a rescue shelter. i got my rotty male from a byb and he is perfect in everyway. the papers arent worth the ink written on them.

Papers are not just for registration...the pedigree means that I can look up one of my dogs relatives and know if there are health problems in the lines.
I have a pet puppy that comes from a good breeder, that breeds for show. Not all puppies born in a litter are show puppies....many are pets.

Also by buying from BYB's and not getting a puppy from a COE breeder or a rescue or shelter....you are allowing these lousy breeders to make money off of their poor quality, often poor health and bad temperament dogs.
It brings down the quality of the whole breed.

I bought my first pup from a BYB, and had to put the dog down by the age of 5 because he could no longer walk.
I would never recommend buying a puppy from a BYB.....only from a good breeder or adopted a dog in need.

Gina

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by dambur 72

if the pup was bought with the parents and siblings on the premises and they all have good qualities and the dog is not going to be for show then who cares if they have papers or not. dosnt mean its going to be a bad pet. id rather get a dog from a byb than a rescue shelter. i got my rotty male from a byb and he is perfect in everyway. the papers arent worth the ink written on them.

The issue is much broader than the fact a BYB product may make a good pet. That's not the issue and to focus on this one tiny point misses the forest for the trees.

I invite you to read thru the postings in Breeding and then in Rescue.

Exactly where do you think the dogs in shelters and rescue come from? From BYBs, the group you're defending.

Good, real breeders stand behind the dogs they breed and take them back. I've been involved with rescue for almost a decade. For a fact, the number of dogs people in my rescue group have heard about from shelter personnel coming from COE breeders who landed in their shelters are numbered on the fingers of one hand.

On the other hand, I or others in my group have heard about hundreds and hundreds of BYB dogs in shelters or needing to be surrendered by their owners.

Do your research. If you're smart and can be educated, you'll realize your comments are ill informed and are rooted in lack of knowledge.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by dambur 72

who cares if they have papers or not if the pup is a pet and not for show. if the parents and siblings were on the premises and all appeared to have good qualities then the papers arent worth the ink written on them. id rather purchase a dog from a byb than a rescue shelter.that way you at least know who the dog came from. i bought my dog from a byb and he looks like a perfect rotty by every standard and has excellent temperment. if the dog is for a pet then who cares!

Sorry, you must have thought you joined some other forum. This is a rottweiler forum that promotes and endorses the betterment of the breed.

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by dambur 72

who cares if they have papers or not if the pup is a pet and not for show. if the parents and siblings were on the premises and all appeared to have good qualities then the papers arent worth the ink written on them. id rather purchase a dog from a byb than a rescue shelter.that way you at least know who the dog came from. i bought my dog from a byb and he looks like a perfect rotty by every standard and has excellent temperment. if the dog is for a pet then who cares!

I care about papers - because I want to know if either the sire or dam has Hip or elbow dysplasia, has a heart condition, or eye problems. I don't want to fall in love with a dog, then it drops dead at 1 year because of a heart defect. I don't show my pets, but I want to know their lineage. That's great if the puppies seem ok...what about later on? I doubt the BYB will be there for the life of the dog, once they have your money, they are done. You don't know where to dog comes from if it's from a BYB - you have NO CLUE if there are health issues with the dogs. Your statement is ridiculous - it's because of BYBs that so many dogs have health issues or bad temperaments because they don't care and only are in it for the money. They are not in it to better the breed!

[rottcrazed]

Originally Posted by dambur 72
who cares if they have papers or not if the pup is a pet and not for show. if the parents and siblings were on the premises and all appeared to have good qualities then the papers arent worth the ink written on them. id rather purchase a dog from a byb than a rescue shelter.that way you at least know who the dog came from. i bought my dog from a byb and he looks like a perfect rotty by every standard and has excellent temperment. if the dog is for a pet then who cares!

Typical uneducated dog person who knows nothing about WHY ethical breeders do what they do, probably don't care either, but I second what Skip said .....

Kristi

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Thanks to everyone who helped shed light on this subject. I knew what the answer was and just wanted to be able to reassure him (my brother) to stay away from this "breeder".

Way too many ignorant people out there calling themselves breeders.

I appreciate all of you who take the time,energy,money,and commitment it takes to become a truly reputeable,honest,ethical breeder.

Thanks again for all of the insight and knowledge that all of you bring to the table.

Steve