The working Rottweiler

[German Vanegas]

Tony, don't leave out Liz Bauer. She is one the finest most knowledgeable persons in this forum.

[nick teifke]

You guys are right, the AKC could not care less about the quality of Rottweilers being bred. Just like they couldnt care less about the quality of GSDs, Labs etc etc. They are an all breed registry, not just a Rottweiler registry like the ADRK or the USRC or ARC. The ADRK has certain requirements for the breeding of Rottweilers because they are a Rottweiler registry. They do care about the quality of the Rottweiler breed, plain and simple. So to say the AKC should inhibit breeding restrictions for Rottweilers is foolish, not because of lost revenue but because they would have to regulate breedings on all breeds.
So if you got a beef with the AKC and feel they are destroying the working Rottweiler breed, then dont register with them, Im sure they dont care.

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nick teifke
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[Tony4Rotts]

Oh you are right German i forgot "LIZ Bauer"

Sorry!! Let me know if i missed someone else

[German Vanegas]

Belgium,
You took it too personal. I also wrote:

"If you really want a good German import, you have to well know who you are dealing with and do the appropiate in-depth research."

The above statement meant to say that, if you know the ethics of the foreign breeder and you do it right, you can get a fine imported dog. You may well be one of the most ethical that there is, but you also know that there are other foreign breeders known for "dumping" their sub-standard dogs in the USA and other importing countries. It was not a personal attack against you at all, and I did not state that ALL foreign breeders are unethical. There good ones, no so good, all the way up to totally unethical. The whole point is, not ALL imported foreign dogs are top quality... UNLESS you deal with an ethical foreign dog breeder. That it's a fact. Best regards!

[This message has been edited by German Vanegas (edited March 31, 1999).]

[German Vanegas]

Nancy & Nick,
With your way of thinking, backyard breeding will keep going rampant and puppy-massive-production-kennels will flourish even more. ANYONE can breed dogs and get AKC papers as "proof" that the puppies are "full-blooded". Then, sell them for little money and keep spreading out sub-standard genetics and hereditary diseases. Pitiful. No hope...

[Nancy Estes]

German - "By the way, why do you think the United States Rottweiler Club "USRC" can do it, but AKC can not? Any reasonable explanation? I do believe breeding and temperament surveys are feasible, but for money reasons the AKC couldn't care less. And that it's the thruth!"

Not in defense of AKC, but it is an all-breed organization and the USRC is ONLY Rottweilers. Makes things a little simpler (for the USRC). It's like comparing apples and oranges as far as administration goes. Also, any real change to the American, AKC Rottweiler breed standard is going to have to come from the American Rottweiler Club which is, in turn, a member club of the American Kennel Club. It's a very complicated situation and not one that is likely to be changed to everybody's satisfaction any time soon. The ARC breed standard has a good description of the desired temperament. Breeders who show dogs not living up to this standard are reinforced by judges putting up these dogs, whether it be in conformation, obedience, agility, herding, tracking, etc. Ultimately, it's up to us as breeders, exhibitors, judges, trainers or handlers, not the AKC. Of course, it's a lot easier to blame an organization than to do something oneself at a grass-roots level.

Nancy

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von Dorow Rottweilers
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[Orville Story]

Here in the US the AKC has sole responsibility for the breed records without reguard to standard. However, the FCI validates the countrys breed culb, which keeps its on records and has the responsibility toward the standard. They are not just saying the pedigree is pure, but that all of the dogs of the pedigree meet the standard.
There is an attempt to have the FCI in this country as well. Once, the FCI starts to govern breed clubs here then people can understand and choose between the two. Until then the AKC calls the shots.

[Nancy Estes]

German - "Nancy & Nick,
With your way of thinking, backyard breeding will keep going rampant and puppy-massive-production-kennels will flourish even more. ANYONE can breed dogs and get AKC papers as "proof" that the puppies are "full-blooded". Then, sell them for little money and keep spreading out sub-standard genetics and hereditary diseases. Pitiful. No hope..."

I think you are misreading statements of fact as opinions. You then appear to be making the assumption that neither Nick nor myself care about the welfare of the Rottweiler breed; that neither of us does anything to try to improve the situation. Statements about the reality of the situation vis-a-vis AKC have nothing to do with personal opinions or actions.

Nancy

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von Dorow Rottweilers
doggo@hotbot.com

[German Vanegas]

Nick and Nancy, don't be confused. You are not encouraging bad breeding, you just seem to think that "there is nothing we can do"... as in, the mighty AKC calls the shots and we are powerless. I like to think WE could do something to make AKC more aware of the general public sentiment about lack of breeding controls. But then again, is the AKC, so what can you do?...

[Orville Story]

German, FCI could opperate here in this country if breed clubs built a base breed registration such as the AWDF clubs are doing. This would be seperate from the AKC.
But now the dogs would have to have a tail because that will be the new standard.

[German Vanegas]

Roger that Orville. The tail docketing issue... umm, it will take quite sometime for me to get used to it. Will it ever be the same? I doubt it. A powerful Rottweiler "wagging-away" its tail... it won't be as impressive and you know it... I just hope sanity and common sense prevails so the USA will not model dog laws after the British Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991. What an scary thought!

[Alison]

I have bin sitting back reading this post first of all the rottweiler problem with byb is all over the world there is to many people breeding them second akc is just a registry just like the ckc they have to deal with all breeds if the akc would change there standards to the fci allot of breeders hard work with other breeds (like aketas) witch are different in the us then they are in there country of origin would be disqualified in the rings and another thing is to you can cut up the akc as mutch as you want but you no something they are not changing the docking standard are standing up for it and i hope i can speak for all we all breed for an over all rottweiler that can work and is as close to the standard as they can be , and yes there is allot of dogs in can
and the usa that have achieved both confirmation and working i can not state that for my kennel dogs for one i have just started on my first litter and my other dogs are still to young to of achieved all but will tell you in a few years but as some one stated to me in a previous post how can i tell if my dogs can work if i have never worked them in a way they are correct but i have a question here how can some
people here state that they no a conformational correct dog if they first never shown a dog . in the akc ckc seger shows the way i learned was mostly at shows looking at dogs and different breeds there strong points and week points books can tech you something's but not like being out there having your dog critiqued or shown and comparing them to others \
another thing is if a person bys a dog from germany with out even seeing the dog then to me they are in a position to be scamed by the germans you don't by a car with out seeing it or test driving it . when i go back to germany this summer to see the stud dogs that i have in mind for breeding then maybe if i see a dog that relay hits my eyes that i think is a good dog for me then i will inquire and maybe by it but i would never by a dog site unseen im asking for trouble that way and if i get
ripped off then its my self i have to blame and another thing im always learning new things from the standard every day
the day i think i no it all is the day i stop lerning



[This message has been edited by Alison (edited April 03, 1999).]