Why? What you should have done.....

[debbiej]

I agree, and wonder why someone would resent help in understanding what they could have done better? Perhaps looking for an excuse, but that isn't much help, especially when it is something that is quite likely going to happen again with worse results!

[Bocards]

I totally agree with Judi W....I am no expert with this breed......I have had 3 Rotties.....one I grew up with and the other two I rescued......but I see alot of people that ask for advice here and elsewhere and then argue you to death if they may have made a mistake ......I am still learning this breed after over 20 years of living with them...is it so hard to understand that we as HUMANS do not always make the best choice for them.....I say learn from mistakes....and continue to learn...as well as love this NOBLE breed..

Bo

[TrishB]

I'm sorry - I was taking it as a general "in life" comment about when people get advice. I didn't take it as "in the forum" life.

I COMPLETELY agree with JudiW. If you post on a public internet forum - you're gonna get responses. If you ask a question, you're gonna get answers - whether you like them or not. If you're not prepared to possibly hear something you don't want, don't post. If you want some insight that you might have missed on your own or you're ready for the truth - post.

[Bucky's Mom]

Originally Posted by Judi W

When a problem is presented to the forums, it is assumed that one is soliciting advice, not just looking for attention.

Can just a sentence be a sticky? This one should be.

[Anne]

I am more than happy to be told what I should have done. It seems it's the only way I learn.

The help I got when I first joined this forum is what makes my dog the way she is today. I owe many people a big thank you.

[miccmill]

Being told what I'm doing wrong, what I should be doing, that I need to change my methods, perspective or anything else for that matter just doesn't cut me to the quick, especially since I was the one that solicited that advise to begin with.
How exactly do you learn a new skill if you don't have it shown to you in an instructional way or if you don't have someone telling you how to course correct your mistakes?

I don't see a lot of posters here at Rott.net launching personal attacks on people with questions but I do see some new folks responding as if they were personally attacked.

[scooterjohansen]

Dont worry there is plenty of personal attacks. After a while you just get used to it. I am here for the wellness of the breed and having a dog in general. I don't care if someone has a go. I have spent a while developing my own backbone.

[TrishB]

Some people just don't like to be told that they're wrong. They come here for justification and vindication, not correction. Being told that you're wrong isn't a personal attack although people make it out to be. The sad thing is that when they turn a post into "You're being mean to me" they lose the answer to their initial question and are doomed to repeat it.

[scooterjohansen]

In a sense it is a personal attack because the poster is actually the one at fault. Everyone needs a slap and a personal attack is a slap. If the poster can't take one then they probably should not consider owning or actually own a Rottweiler.

[Platzz]

Originally Posted by scooterjohansen

In a sense it is a personal attack because the poster is actually the one at fault. Everyone needs a slap and a personal attack is a slap. If the poster can't take one then they probably should not consider owning or actually own a Rottweiler.

Being rather new here one of my obsevations is that people seems to relish in flaming out here. Not unlike vultures waiting to finish the carrion.

[Bruce Lanthier]

Originally Posted by Platzz

Being rather new here one of my obsevations is that people seems to relish in flaming out here. Not unlike vultures waiting to finish the carrion.

Well I'll challenge this. How many active threads are there and how many are "flaming"?

[Bruce Lanthier]

I see 46 threads that have received a post (some many more than 1 post) since 12:53pm. How many of those are flaming?

[Cash]

Originally Posted by Platzz

Being rather new here one of my obsevations is that people seems to relish in flaming out here. Not unlike vultures waiting to finish the carrion.

I couldn't disagree more. I see people here relishing helping and educating, not attacking people. Now I am curious, you were considering leaving the forums not too long ago, what is bringing YOU back?

[Judi W]

Actually, I believe people do want to solve a problem. The difficulty comes when they are told they will need to change what they are doing in order to change what the dog is doing. It comes into conflict with the "but I like to...." or "but I want to..." and then they might become cranky when there is not a quick easy fix. Certainly not everyone does this and we have some terrific examples of listening, taking action and ending up with great dogs!

I particularly smile when I remember a probably very nice lady who wanted to know how to get her dog to quit pulling her down when she tried to walk it. There was a decent discussion about training and so forth, and she was quite annoyed. She did not want to do training or know about training she said. All she wanted to know was how to get her dog to quit pulling and if we couldn't help her with that just forget it.

The above is one of the more humerous of examples. Some deal with more serious issues but with the same logic. They do want things with the dog to change, but without effort or changes in their emotional committment to pleasing themselves. Rule of thumb which I apply to myself as well, is if things are going askew, look at what you are doing more than what the dog is doing. That is where the solution usually lies.

[pazzo]

I just had to add on a personal note. Prior to Santo and my traine, I had a very strong willed bossy rotti (nico). I had come across this web-site and mostly read.I was a complete novice, who originally thought I knew more than I actually did!! Every time I posted, I got an answer, sometimes I didn't like it, but I was mature and rational enough to know the people giving me advice I asked for are more experienced than I and after all "my way" wasn't working! This site was a god send for me and to people like Judy and the others (you know who you are ) I thank you a million times over, I welcome advice at any time, and for the people who feel these forums are harsh, I never felt personally attacked, ever! I have been here for almost 6 years........anyway again to all of my rottie.net friends, Thanks for always being there for Santo and I, and please always feel free to point out my flaws, after all that is how we learn, from the mistakes we make.