E-mail from trainers what do you think?

[Rottierule]

A little background first Reno is 1 will be 2 june 19 I started these classes 3 weeks ago 8 dogs in the class Reno didnt mind any of them but one crazy wild Lab was pulling his owner around jumping barking etc so ofcourse reno barks back n growls in my eyes it was a hey your tryin to hurt this person cuz its never happen before But anyway in these 3 classes me and reno have been stuck out of the class so to speak to keep the 2 apart basicly Im 10 or 12 feet away from everyone else But here is the e-mail i got from my dog trainer what do you think Also he never tried to *hump* the guys leg he was leaning and acted like he might try to pee on him
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Hi John,
A*** and I have been talking and we would rather work with Reno privately after the others are finished. You are having to stay so far from the group that you can't hear well, and we need to start working with the dogs closer together at this point in their training. He makes some of the other people nervous when he barks and lounges. Has he been neutered? A*** and I need to talk to you about some of his dominant behaviors (he tried to hump A***'s leg and growled when he corrected him). I feel that there are some things that you may be overlooking that could lead to problems later. A*** commented that you are using good and strong corrections with him, but we don't see that he responds to them with a submissive behavior. What makes his ears drop and truly gets to him? If you could come at 7:00 we will try to work with you on your on. We might only need 30 minutes for your class since we will only work with one dog.

L***

[BostonRott]

Corrections are NOT meant to generate submissive behaviours and you should not be looking for corrections that "make their ears drop." YIKES!!!!!!!

Sounds to me more like a case of "the other $$ generators are complaining, we're going to single you out." Also sounds like they aren't very familiar with the breed or how to train it.

As to the "humping" .... you see it one way, they saw another. Main question: was there growling after a correction??

[lblax]

Originally Posted by BostonRott

Corrections are NOT meant to generate submissive behaviours and you should not be looking for corrections that "make their ears drop." YIKES!!!!!!!

Sounds to me more like a case of "the other $$ generators are complaining, we're going to single you out." Also sounds like they aren't very familiar with the breed or how to train it.

As to the "humping" .... you see it one way, they saw another. Main question: was there growling after a correction??

i agree with gretchen i would look into some of there tactics here they may not know what there doing.. as far as the growling if i read it right you had the leash and the trainer corrected him???? how did he correct him??? knee him or what?????

[Rottierule]

Well as far as the *humping his leg* when I looked down he was leaning on him and I guess he acted like he was going to or something the guy saw so he Goes NO!!! and backed away I corrected him being on a prong and No growl I was sitting down he was sitting beside me the guy walked over and said he just doesnt like that lab does he and went to pet him and he made this rumble like he does most the time to me when we play it wasnt a growl after that he stands up walks over and lets him pet him no problem like you said I can see it one way them another Getting this e-mail just kinda made me mad because this is the same dog that my g/fs 1 year old sits down in the floor with him laying by his side and the baby feeds him treats out his hand and reno takes them carefuly Never has he reacted in a mean manner toward anyone its like Just because he is a rottie he is getting that Label even though I've heard *they are good dogs just misunderstood* speech

[BostonRott]

Ok, understand the hump/pee scenario.....but a bit confused......Reno growled at the trainer when the trainer came over and bent down to pet him?

[Rottierule]

Well like I said it was like a rumble like when your playing tug the trainer back up kinda laughed and said does he do that alot and I said no never has reno stands up walks over to him and sits down and trainer pets him

[BostonRott]

I understand the difference between growls and grumbling, but it has also been my experience that Rottweilers do not offer grumbles to casual acquiantances (like a trainer), and I would be willing to bet it was more of a growl. Which is NOT acceptable. It does sound like he's going through some adolescent behaviours, neutered or not. Neutering does NOT remove all behaviours, it only tones down certain tendancies.

I also feel that in light of having just been growled at, the trainer had NO business petting Reno after he then demanded attention (by walking over to the trainer). I would have flat out ignored him.

[Judi W]

It also sounds as if Reno was continuing his dispute with the Lab, not just a one time response.

The instructors are not totally in the wrong here although they might have expressed themselves better. Yes, a correction should illicit a change in the dog or it was not correct for that dog. It might be that you need a different or better type of correction. Whether attempting to pee on or hump, he was out of line and also incorrect in growling with someone who was coming to chat and pet him.

Fair or not, a lunging barking and growling Rottweiler certainly does make the others in any class worried. I would agree that some private sessions to teach you how to manage him better are in order before putting him in the group situation. After 3 classes, there has been ample time, so get the help and then you can rejoin the group.

[Rottierule]

I agree with the both of you But him having the prong on he has been given some really hard corrections I guess Im really worried about hurting him I know they are strong dogs but like last class a dog was jumping and his wife said *when he jumps smack his nose* stuff like that to me would kinda make the problem worse but might just be me

[Burnsway]

Originally Posted by Rottierule

I agree with the both of you But him having the prong on he has been given some really hard corrections I guess Im really worried about hurting him I know they are strong dogs but like last class a dog was jumping and his wife said *when he jumps smack his nose* stuff like that to me would kinda make the problem worse but might just be me

How is he wearing the prong? Around the neck or around the neck up behind the ears kinda?

If the prong is on wrong or not a proper fit for your dog, you can correct all you want and he probably isn't getting the picture.

[Rottierule]

Around His Neck Behind his Ears

[Judi W]

Regardless, if the correction is not causing a change in behavior, it is nagging rather than "correcting". Nagging gets you nowhere and in fact teaches the dog to blow you off. What is lacking is authority over the dog and this is why you should take advantage of the private sessions. If the dog indulges in his emotional outbursts, he is not going to be learning anything. You need assistance in timing, reading your dog and in the actual correction.

[Puppy Love]

I don't think the prong should be sitting behind his ears. It should be in the middles of his neck. When it is behind the ears it is a very sentive area you may actullay be hurting him more. I would fit it around the middle of his neck

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by Puppy Love

I don't think the prong should be sitting behind his ears. It should be in the middles of his neck. When it is behind the ears it is a very sentive area you may actullay be hurting him more. I would fit it around the middle of his neck

NO...the prong collar should be up high behind the ears...that's the whole point of the prong. You want the dog to feel the correction. Rottweilers have strong, well muscled necks.... a collar around the middle of the neck for a dog that is pulling or lunging is nothing to them...they will take you along for the ride.

Gina

[Puppy Love]

Maybe harley is just weak necked but I read an article about Let me see if I can find it!