Kimbertal Kennels

[LJSmith]

I am sure that this name stirs up some anger in some of our expierenced rescuers and posters. I was cruising through their site and one of the first things that came up was a picture of their huge operation, obviously a puppy mill. The next is their seemingly strong guarantee. They guarantee their dogs for life against allmost everything. I was surprised to see this considering their reputation. Then I noticed the small print, any dog that is nuetered, spayed, or bred is void. Hmmm, that seems to exclude almost everydog. Chances are if a dog is not altered, it is probably being bred. Seems like this is a pretty slick operation. It's to bad that the AKC will paper dogs coming out of places like this. I am really dissapointed.

[Wookie'sMom]

If you search the archives you will find many threads on just how bad this kennel is. Also, they have a deal going where you get a female pup for either free or cheap, I don't remember which, but then you bring her back to be bred, you deal with whelping and care of the puppies and Kimbertal gets the puppies when they're old enough. Sounds great, huh? Makes their "guarentee" even more rediculous when they encourage or even require you to breed your dog, but then breeding voids the guarentee.

[spidey]

It's to bad that the AKC will paper dogs coming out of places like this

While I agree in principle, it's important to keep in mind that the AKC is just a registering body - they do not imply anything by registration other than the fact that the breeding was between two qualified (for registration) purebreds and that the litter was registered. Registration is just registration, it tells you nothing about the quality of a given dog, or about the breeder the dog comes from.

[LavenderRott]

That slick add in Dog World with the guarentee almost sold me on a Kimbertal puppy. How could you possibly not breed good dogs with a guarentee like that one? Of course the fine print isn't in the Dog World add. Thanks to everyone here, I learned the truth before learning the hard way!

[Blaxwil]

10 years ago, my first Rottweiler was from Kimbertal. I fell into the smooth words and all the literature backing their guarantees. My dog was neuterd but developed a bad case of coccidiosis that was untreatable. After $1,500 in vet bills, my Vet convinced me to return my 10 month old puppy and let them honor their INCREDIBLE guarantee. Funny thing, they took him back and gave me the option on another male puppy. In the interim, I learned a lot more about Rottweilers than I knew before, thus not wanting another dog from them. I was able to get half of my money back before they knew he was even neutered. HAHA. I honestly think they only took him back because they thought he was breedable or sellable. So yes, when I see Kimbertal, I cringe.

Terry Williams

[MOKASMOM]

Unfortunately I wish I had known what I know now. My Rottie's great grandparents are Kimbertals. I found this out when I got her pedigree papers. I thought all the problems that my rottie has was from the Schombergs dogs but it stemed even further back with the Kimbertals. I mean Moka is going on 11months old and I have spent over $2,000.00 in vet bills alone. I had to learn my lesson the hard way and I hope nobody has to go through what I have and will continue to go through. The Kimbertals and Schombergs need to be shut down for good!!!!!!

[Brooke&Ryan]

I have seen some of the disasterous consequences that Kimbertal can have. I remember a year or so ago volunteering at the SPCA & a Dobe was brought in just crippled with HD. Got to talking to the owners that were turning the dog in (because it was too much money ) & said they got it from Kimbertal.

Just makes me sick to my stomach.... :(

Although, apparently they're still selling Rottweilers. I thought that they were just breeding Dobermans now...at least that's what the website said the last time I looked. Are they back in the Rottweiler business again??? :(

Brooke

[Dresden]

My 7 year old girl Dresden has some Kimbertal relatives back about 5 generations, and she is perfect.
Abso-fricking-lutely perfect.
Brilliant, healthy, and wonderful conformation.
All champions in the lines between her and them as well.
So don't believe that every Kimbertal dog is bad, because they are not.
*prepares for the inevitable flaming*

[samanthac]

When I volunteered for KRR over 3/4 of the Rottweilers that we had were from Kimbertal. People used to bring their sick and/or crippled Rottweilers to us to HIDE from Kimbertal because they wanted them back for breeding KNOWING that the dogs were ill, dyplastic, hemophiliacs, etc.

One of the dogs imparticular was Cheyenne. Cheyenne was vWD positive, severely dyplastic in her hips and elbows and hypothyroid. She was 180 due to the thyroid condition and they could not get it down to ease the pressure on her hips. She could not be spayed due to the vWD because they were afraid she would bleed to death. But they still wanted her back to breed.

The Dobe barn was disgusting the time we were there.

They also pump out Filas...now there is a dog you want out in the GP.

They also have penned wolves right on the property. They say they are 'rescues', but rumor has it that they have been breeding and selling wolf hybrids for years. They have never been able to catch them at it though.

The Rottweiler barn 'mysteriously' burned down a few years ago and many litters were lost. At the time they were heartbroken at the loss of the pups and 'would not be able to bring themselves to breed Rottweilers again'. Uh, yeah, sure.

[samanthac]

Originally Posted by Dresden

My 7 year old girl Dresden has some Kimbertal relatives back about 5 generations, and she is perfect.
Abso-fricking-lutely perfect.
Brilliant, healthy, and wonderful conformation.
All champions in the lines between her and them as well.
So don't believe that every Kimbertal dog is bad, because they are not.
*prepares for the inevitable flaming*

I, and many others, have yet to ever hear of one Kimbertal dog ever actively being campaigned in conformation. Their dogs are oversized and structurally horrible. Most cannot pass on OFA to save their lives. Bad hips, elbows run rampant. Vom Willebrands runs rampant. Eye problmes run rampant. They breed sick, crippled and diseased dogs knowingly. Yes, Kimbertal is bad. They are a puppy mill plain and simple. I have been there, I have seen the operation, I dealt with them when I volunteered in rescue. The things I know would curdle your blood. :(

Good luck with your pup...what pup isn't perfect? :D

[Burnsway]

Originally Posted by Dresden

My 7 year old girl Dresden has some Kimbertal relatives back about 5 generations, and she is perfect.
Abso-fricking-lutely perfect.
Brilliant, healthy, and wonderful conformation.
All champions in the lines between her and them as well.
So don't believe that every Kimbertal dog is bad, because they are not.
*prepares for the inevitable flaming*

No flaming here!

Obviously you love your dog! My Mixed Rott is Abso-fricking-lutely perfect to me too. And last I heard she has champion German Rotts in her Grandmas pedigree. So what are the names of these champions 5 generations back. I could never get names for the ones in my dogs Grandmas pedigree. Actually I could never even get a copy of the pedigree....... :D

Your dog is perfect conformation? Have you shown her and titled her? Love to hear about it....... ;)

[Dresden]

I do not show dogs, I do not have the time, or the desire.

But Dresden is indeed very well bred, and she acts it, and looks it.

Not all perfect dogs go to the ring. Not all Kimbertal bloodlines are trash.

CH Bucknwalds Von Ceasar, her sire
CH Bucknwalds Sir Frederick, her grand sire
CH Banta's Rowden Vom Danzig CD, her great grand sire
CH Rodsden's Danzig V Gasto CD, her great great grand sire

I will list the other dogs of note in her pedigree, as very few do not have some award or other. Most are CH.

CH Gasto Vom Liebersbacherhof CDX TD
WF302902 06-83 (Germany)
Black & Brown

CH Rodsden's Toni V Forstwald CD
WE531941 12-83
Black & Mahogany
OFA26

CH Rodsden's Bruin V Hungerbuhl CDX
WD375753 08-79
Black & Mahogany
OFA25

CH Woodland's Yankee Doo
WF014821 04-84
Black & Mahogany
OFA25


CH Ukiah Von Gruenerwald
WE108470 11-82
Black & Mahogany

CH Chance Of Rambleridge
WE283101 03-81
Black & Tan
OFA27


CH Sageberry's Kenjira
WG103792 10-90
Black & Mahogany
OFA25G

CH Starkheim Duf Morgen Carroll
WE322075 11-81
Black & Mahogany
OFA79

CH Burley Von Morgen Carroll CD
WC448655 10-75
Black & Tan
OFA25

CH Bea Mathilda Vom Haus-Kalbas CD
WC805357 08-77
Black & Mahogany
OFA24

Lotte Vom Hause Neubrand
WF711651 10-87 (Germany)
Black & Brown
OFA24

Bandit Vom Gruntenblick
ADRK 56 199

Fenja Vom Hause Neubrand

CH Kelsey's Kanon V Krugerrand CD
WG210373 10-91
Black & Mahogany
OFA24G OFEL24

CH Vom Sonnenhaus Krugerrand CD
WF784920 02-89
Black & Mahogany
OFA24F

Grave Kapenborgh CD
WF655702 08-85 (Belgium)
Black & Brown
OFA35

Vom Sonnenhaus Tanja Von Vera CD
WF380597 04-86
Black & Mahogany
OFA27

CH Kelsey's Black Velvet CD
WF661738 02-89
Black & Mahogany
OFA24

CH Jay-San's Junge
WE735438 07-83
Black & Mahogany
OFA24

Princess Pudding V Kimbertal
WF575141 08-85
Black & Mahogany

Ino Vom Bruckertor
WE162053 05-80 (Austria)
Black & Mahogany

Princess Isis Vom Kimbertal
WE744440 02-82
Black & Mahogany

CH Jessica's Spanish Angel-V Cruz
WF835253 08-89
Black & Mahogany
OFA43F

CH Gatstuberget Ono Of Evrmor TD
WF271708 05-84
Black & Tan
OFA24

CH Rodsdens Berte V Zederwald CDX
WE615223 11-82
Black & Mahogany
OFA24

CH Gatstuberget's Hilma Honoris CDX
WE082680 10-81
Black & Tan
OFA24

Kasimira's Von Der Weiss
WE717233 10-84
Black & Mahogany
OFA36

CH Kasimira's Baza Ven Echter CD
WD324633 02-81
Black & Tan
OFA25

[samanthac]

Not bad...a few dogs of note way back...Rodsen's was one of the first kennels of note here in the US. One or two nice German dogs. Of course, anything beyond the first two generations is negligible anyway as they do not really contribute to the gene pool at that point.

Note the Kimbertal dogs do not have any conformation titles or hip ratings.

Couldn't find a dang things on the Bucknwald's kennel. Who runs that? Just curious as I am up on most of them.

[Dresden]

I am not sure, but I believe Bucknwalds might have been in CO.

I bought Dresden from the people who owned her dam, not sure if she was sent out of state for breeding, but the dam lived in Denver.

Yes, Dres has some lovely ancestors, her bloodlines are almost as good as mine, although my German/Austrian bloodlines are not so far back, lol.

Dresden says "thanks, SamanthaC", Dres is the baroness, after all, and she is always happy to brag a bit about her family, hehehe. :D

[Dee]

[quote=Blaxwil]

After $1,500 in vet bills, my Vet convinced me to return my 10 month old puppy and let them honor their INCREDIBLE guarantee. Funny thing, they took him back and gave me the option on another male puppy.


Did you ever find out what they did with your puppy?

Dee