Long Hair Rottie?

[Squeaky2004]

Carina:

Beautiful pictures of your dog on your website, he's absolutely gorgeous!

[Carol Burke]

Originally Posted by JoJo

Oh how I can second that one!! Carol's Alex is not only gorgeous, but what a charmer! So they can't go in the show ring, but Alex is a great example of what they can do in OB!

JoJo

pssst......Carol, remember if Alex ever needs a new home (which will never happen) you know where to find me)

I have first dibs on him if Liz would ever give him up.

[Carina43]

I would love to meet Alex - that is just the wildest looking Rottweiler I've ever seen, and what a head under all that funny fur!

In Brace's "The Ultimate Rottweiler" there's a mention of coated Rottweilers being more biddable & heavier bone, or words to that effect. And the lady who evaluated Cooper's litter said she'd seen them before & most tended to be big boned. Cooper is definitely "biddable" and calm, & fairly sturdy, as is his fluffy litter-sister.
I have no clue why though, maybe some genetic throwback to one of the older molossoid dogs in the Rottie genetic makeup?

[R&Gsmom]

NERR had a long haired rott that came in named Tosh. He is excellent! He is now working as a therapy dog with is owner.

Unfortunately they are very good looking and tend to ellicit that "Big Teddy Bear" stereotype so that I could see a BYB cashing in by breeding them even though it is a fault.

I have actually seen several on Petfinder that are listed as mixes when really they are just long hairs.

[Brooke&Ryan]

So then if a long haired Rottweiler were to be bred (which I know that they're not supposed to) would they produce all long haired puppies or a mix of the two???

Just wondering...

:)
Brooke

[Carol Burke]

Originally Posted by Brooke&Ryan

So then if a long haired Rottweiler were to be bred (which I know that they're not supposed to) would they produce all long haired puppies or a mix of the two???

Just wondering...

:)
Brooke

Probably a mix, unless you could find another long hair to breed to. I can't tell you how many people have begged me to breed Alex. Not going to happen, but they sure are adorable.

[Carina43]

Originally Posted by Carol Burke

Probably a mix, unless you could find another long hair to breed to. I can't tell you how many people have begged me to breed Alex. Not going to happen, but they sure are adorable.

Oh, I get that too! They really are cool looking.
I often give my little "no breeding of any Rottweilers when there are so many being killed in shelters, let alone a totally out-of-standard one" speech.

Wouldn't you only get LH puppies if both parents carried the gene (since it's recessive), assuming one had a regular coat & the other long?
Excuse if that was a stupid question; I know virtually nothing about breeding & genetics. :)

[Carol Burke]

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Wouldn't you only get LH puppies if both parents carried the gene (since it's recessive), assuming one had a regular coat & the other long?
Excuse if that was a stupid question; I know virtually nothing about breeding & genetics. :)[/quote]

Yes, they would both have to carry the recessive. I suppose you could breed a long hair to a regular coat and if the regular coat didn't carry the recessive you would get normal coats.

[wot_racing]

I loved genetics In college..

If you bred two long haired rotts, you would get ALL long haired rotts..

If you bred a normal rott and a long haired rott, you would get a mix, or none at all..


Explanation:
There are recessive genes and dominate genes.. Each dog gets two genes.. One from the mother, the other from the father.. If a dominate gene is present, it will show.. For a recessive gene to show, a dog must get TWO recessive genes..
Therefor, a long haired rott MUST have 2 long haired genes.. So if two bred, all that could be passed was long haired genes!

The confusing part comes in when you breed a normal rott in the mix.. The normal rott could have either two normal genes, or one normal gene and a long haired gene.. it just depends on which gene is passed..

I know I didnt cover everything here, but I didnt want to bore everyone with genetic squares and all the genetic theory...

[Carol Burke]

Very interesting. Thanks for your input.

[BostonRott]

Based on my experience with the one litter, I don't think the LH gene is a simple recessive.

Let's call "c" the gene for long coats, and "C" the gene for regular coats.

A coated dog would be cc. A normal dog could be either Cc (carrier) or CC (clear).

Coated x carrier (cc x Cc) = 25% Cc (carrier) and 75% cc (coated)

Carrier x carrier (Cc x Cc) = 25% CC (clear), 50% Cc (carrier) and 25% cc (coated).

So if both parents are carriers, and this is truly a simple recessive, then in Froli's litter of 9, there should have been more than 1 coated puppy.

[MARYDVM]

The long coat gene in Rotties has been established to be a simple recessive. But although an average of 25% coated can be expected from a mating of two carriers, it really all depends on which eggs and sperm meet up. The litter can actually have anywhere from no long coats, to all long coats. Wouldn't that have been a shock?

[wot_racing]

Originally Posted by BostonRott

Based on my experience with the one litter, I don't think the LH gene is a simple recessive.

Let's call "c" the gene for long coats, and "C" the gene for regular coats.

A coated dog would be cc. A normal dog could be either Cc (carrier) or CC (clear).

Coated x carrier (cc x Cc) = 25% Cc (carrier) and 75% cc (coated)

Carrier x carrier (Cc x Cc) = 25% CC (clear), 50% Cc (carrier) and 25% cc (coated).

So if both parents are carriers, and this is truly a simple recessive, then in Froli's litter of 9, there should have been more than 1 coated puppy.

This formula show POSSIBILITY of gene combinations.. It doesn't show PROBABILITY....

[Judi W]

In theory yes, but in the real world carrier x carrier might still not have expresed as the sample size is not that large. A litter of 100............. now you are talking about a sample size that is adequate to make some determinations.

[wot_racing]

It can get very complicated... For instance, there isnt always just two genes.. The long haired trait may take a combination of 4 or 5 or maybe even more to be evident.. The two gene theory is just used to teach the theory of how traits are passed..