2 new male puppies

[RottieMom51503]

Hello I am new to this site. I learned about it from excellrott. I Currently own 1 female Rottweiler named Daphne. She will be 9 months old on the 15. She has been our only dog for a while but a couple of months ago we decided to get a puppy for her to play with and so Dan (My Future Husband) can have a dog as well. I'm a stay at home mom to Daphne and she goes everywhere with me. When she was 5 months old we decided to get another puppy. we have been having trouble locating them around here. It seems nobody was breeding them. I went back to Daphne's breeder and he was taking a break to but, wanted to help us find something. My parents were also helping. last week Dan and I finally found a litter of puppies in Kentucky. This breeder offered them with no papers and they were all pretty much long haired but that didn't matter to us. We aren't going to breed nor show. I would like to maybe do Therphy work or Search and Rescue. Anyways we were amazed when we got home and had a message on the machine that my parents had also bought one for us that same day. We couldn't find any for a couple months, now we have two. They are both boys and are already having their spats. Bear (puppy from kentucky that we bought) is extremely playful and bold, much like Daphne. Jagger ( puppy my parents Bought) is more laid back and quickly has his fill of Bear and Daphne. A couple times I put Jagger in a crate and let Daphne and Bear play and they are great together but if you let Jagger out we have WWF in our living room. If Daphne and Bear are in Crates then Jagger Runs around playing with Puppy toys and is as happy as can be. I have been thinking it might be best to rehome one of the puppies. I think I would Rehome Jagger since Bear seems to Play with Daphne so well. Is it best to rehome Jagger or does this seem like maybe Jagger didn't adjust as quickly as Bear? I've talked to Jagger's Breeder and they've been no help and won't take him back. The other thing I have been worried about is Puppy classes. Daphne had Puppy kindergarden but hasn't had the second class yet. I had surgery after her kindergarden class and wasn't able to take her to class. She is supposed to go back to school this spring. The school I work with has Puppy classes on Tuesday and then Adult classes on Thursday. So I could Take one puppy to class on Tuesday but how would I take two? How would I work with three dogs in training at home? I guess my question is am I just being a baby about this or is this just the beginning of several problems raising two new male puppies together? any advice would be helpful.

[spidey]

Hi Cynthia, welcome to the forums.

In short, you're probably in for a very bumpy ride if you keep both and in all honesty you'd be much better off finding a new home for one of the puppies. Aside from the issues of it being twice as much work to raise two puppies as one (you have to spend separate one-on-one time with each, etc), same-sex, similar-age dogs will often fight when they get older, and this can lead to serious injuries or even death (search the forums for this, there have been many discussions about the topic). I really think it would be better for your family AND the puppies if you can find a new home for one.

[samanthac]

One Rottweiler pup is a challenge, but now you have three. Rottweiler pups take a lot of time and attention and training and now you have three. And now you also have two of the same sex. This is a huge mistake

Frankly I think you are making a huge mistake having more than one. Until your girl is older and trained, you should have stuck with just her. Personally, selfishness aside and in fairness to the dogs, I'd recommend you to place both of the boys and raise your girl correctly. Once your girl is raised correctly then and only then should you consider another dog.

If you refuse to place them both, then place at least one of the boys to avoid future scuffles and mishaps.

[Sharon Marples]

I personally think you have taken on too much with two puppies, especially with your girl being so young herself. You should take the time to train her thoroughly and have your husband become a part of her training.

I would suggest rehoming both pups, but if your husband wants one for himself, at least rehome one of them. The way it sounds, you are bucking up for years of aggression between the two males.

[Brooke&Ryan]

I agree. Julius will be in classes until he's at least three years old & on after that just because he loves them so much. All the time & energy that we've put into Julius with the training & socializing & then to times that by TWO!! Whoa...

I agree with what everyone else said. Rehoming both puppies would be for the best.

Here is a thread where keeping two puppies of the same age was discussed...

http://rottweiler.net/forums/showthr...hlight=puppies
:)
Brooke

[RottieMom51503]

Thank you Spidey and Sharon for the helpful Information. It is much appreicated. We have decided to Keep Bear because he plays wonderfully with Daphne and has adjusted to our lifestyle very quickly. We will be Rehoming Jagger so that i do have the time to spend with Bear on Training as well continue Daphne's.

Samanthac..I would like to know what you mean about Rasing Daphne Correctly. Daphne is correctly raised. A year before i even Bought Daphne I researched the Rottweiler on the Internet, Read Books, Talked Trainers, Vets, Breeders and other Rottweiler Owners in my Area. Daphne was Signed up for Puppy Classes before I brought her home. She did great in school and will start up again in March. I wanted to have her in Obediebce school after her Kindergarden was over but I had Surgery and didn't recover as quickly as I thought I would. By time I got back in touch with my Trainer she had the next two Classes filled. I sent Bear's application in the mail today and hopefully he can start around the time Daphne goes back. The puppy and adult classes are on two Diffrent days. Besides the puppy class I also hired a personal Trainer to teach me how to properly socialize her and to make sure my home was puppy safe, I was raising her CORRECTLY,etc, etc. Daphne has been in Pet stores, has a membership with a local dog park where she can meet other people and dogs which is owned by my personal trainer. She is professinally groomed every 12 weeks, visits the vet at least every three months and has never been left alone. She is part of the family and has never spent a day out doors. I have an acre fenced in for her to run in when I am outdoors as well and can supervise her. I trust Daphne with full run of the house because she listens to me very well and is potty trained. Yes she still needs some Obedience training and she will get that as well as the time she needs from me and so Will Bear without a problem. I do not have children and I am lucky enough to be able to be a stay at home Mom to my Rottweilers. Daphne is my everything, my whole life revolves around what is best for her. My life is hers and she knows it. She's been my best friend since she has been here always will be.

The reason I wanted another puppy is not because i am SELFISH or that i didn't want to be FAIR to my dogs. I wanted a playmate for Daphne and Dan wanted his own dog because Daphne is a mama's girl and dosen't really care to go bye- bye with just Dan. He wants his own dog that will be more his that he can spend time with.I never planned on two 7 week old puppies ever. Believe me I would of never drove the two and a half hours on the Highway to Kentucky if I knew my parents were buying us a puppy. Also they would of never bought one if they knew we were buying one from kentucky. My mother did think I could handle two puppies because she has always raised two puppies together but, with as much as Dan works it wouldn't be a good fit for us and we realize that. We feel bad for having two puppies here and then telling one of them they have to leave. That's the hardest thing for us but we also realize in the end it will be best for all involved.

I have been very proud of myself for how I have raised Daphne. Daphne and I have changed a few people's minds about Rottweilers. My neighbors were scared to death when they realized I had a Rottweiler puppy. Those same neighbors came over to ask Dan were Daphne was when I took her to florida with me. They said they didn't see her on her morning walk with me and were worried about her. Also, when I first told my Dad about Daphne his first words were " don't ever bring her over here". After he got to know Daphne by visiting me he really liked her. He will even call me up and ask if I will bring Daphne down to play with his 9 month old Female German Shepherd and always offers to babysit her if I have to go out of town and can't take her.
Neither my neighbors nor my parents ran out and bought a Rottweiler but they love to see mine when they can.

I do not plan on Breeding nor Showing either Dog. Both are pets and will have Obedience training and maybe Search and Rescue or Therphy. Daphne is already spayed and I will have Bear fixed before or at 6 months of age. I do think Daphne and I are in a point in out lives were we can Handle the responsibility of another puppy and plan to do so.

I would like Information on what my best route would be to rehome Jagger. I believe Jagger is pet quality and that's about it. He does have AkC papers (Bear does not and bear is also a long Haired) but that's about it. I don't want him turning into someones breeding factory and i need to know how to weed out those perspective parents.

[Wookie'sMom]

I don't think that anyone was putting down the job you're doing with Daphne, but she is only 9 months old. Rotties do not mature physically or mentally until around 2 years old. She's still a baby who needs your attention to grow up into a wonderful dog and companion. It is very good advice to wait until one dog is mature to get another, two dogs with different handlers can be different as each dog gets the one on one time with their own "person", but you need to make sure that they don't bond to each other or teach each other bad manners which will make it 10 times harder to re-teach them good manners.

[samanthac]

Originally Posted by RottieMom51503

Samanthac..I would like to know what you mean about Rasing Daphne Correctly. Daphne is correctly raised.

Now don't get your panties all in a bunch. ;) What I meant, and I think you know this, is that Daphne is only 9 months old. What you have done thus far is admirable, but you are far off from adulthood. You need to first raise her into an obedient, well mannered, mature ADULT (2 years or so) before you add another dog in. By raising the first dog to near adulthood to the point that it is a well-mannerd, amicable and trustworthy part of the household makes it easier to turn your attention to the next young one and so forth! There are some other very expereinced Rottweiler people here telling you the same thing.

Plus, when you have two young dogs you have to be extremely careful about letting them bond with each other rather than you. And they will. I generally do not let young dogs out with the adults/each other for any extended period of time until they are eight or nine months old and I know they are bonded to me. They have very limited time together always with me around. But the majority of the first 8 or 9 months is spent with me. If you allow the dogs to bond together rather than with you, its going to make training ten times as hard as normal.

I am not saying you cannot do it with two young dogs, but the majority of people find that they simply do not have the mental foritude to keep up with the demands of one young dog let alone two or three, and the dogs suffer as a result of it. Raising more than one dog of any age is a challenge for even us experienced Rottweiler people, but for a novice, no matter how well your intentions, it can be an exercise in sheer frustration.

[RottieMom51503]

From your signature it looks like you have two dogs that are 11 months apart?? not two years apart. Every dog is diffrent and matures diffrently. Daphne is 9 months old and is bonded to me and spent those 9 months with me. However the dogs don't just run the house together all day long. I have everybody on a schedule. They do have supervised playtime together on my schedule three times daily before their nap times. I do spend time with each dog by it's self. Just because my dogs don't have titles or champion bloodlines does not make me in inexperienced owner. I never claimed to be an expert I know I am far from that. However I am far from stupid about dogs in general or the Rottweiler.

I'm not trying to start anything here but talk to me like I am stupid.

[brunie's mom]

Please listen to the advise you have been given. :) These people have years of experience in the breed. Rottweilers are not like other breeds...they mature slowly. Your female is still a wee pup....she has alot of maturing to do...she will go through her worse stage at about 12-18 months....where she may challenge you or even worse start growling and trying to take charge.
Read some of the posts in Behaviour...you will see a pattern of young, immature dogs giving their owners a run for their money :(

Keep you female in obedience classes and get your new pup into puppy K as soon as possible.
Something that has not been mentioned is that both of the male pups have NOT come from good breeders. It sounds like they are poorly bred and come from BYB's. Hint...if someone is trying to sell pups without papers...they are BYB's. Hint...if someone sells your parent's a pup without even meeting you...they are BYB's.
Rottweilers are a breed with many genetic problems...from hip dysplasia to bad hearts and everything in between. BYB's do not do any health testing on their breeding dogs...if they look good...they are bred.
I truly hope that your pup and your female (some things show up after the age of two) are healthy and have good temperaments.

The pup that you plan to re-home...you could ask around in your obedience classes or call up your vet's office. Make sure you get vet references from people interested in the pup, also make sure they have experience with large working dogs and have a contract signed that the dog must be neutered by 6 months. Visit their home while deciding...ask where the pup will live. See if they have a fenced in yard, etc.

Good luck with your pups. :)

Gina

[Judy Chrusch]

I certainly don't want to start anything here but Samantha you are soon going to get a pup as well and Disel is only a year old and then you spoke of another in the Fall which makes for a very busy and possibly frustrating time as well. Cynthia sounds like she knows what she's doing and she already said she was going to rehome the one pup. Two of any sex the same age or around the same age can be quite challenging but if she knows what she's up against and is willing to do what it takes to raise to young dogs successfully then I commend her for that.

Cynthia, no one is calling you stupid and everyone means well. There's no doubt you will be fine if you do things correctly and know what both need and require. Would it be better if you only had the 9 month old then got another in 2 years or more, yes, but you've chosen to do it now so I trust you will do whatever it takes to have harmony with them as well as you :) . Oh and welcome to the forum :D .

There's lots of knowledgable people here so don't get offended, please stick around so the experts can help you if you run into a snag. Best of luck to you with your new pup :) .

Judy

[samanthac]

Originally Posted by Judy Chrusch

I certainly don't want to start anything here but Samantha you are soon going to get a pup as well and Disel is only a year old and then you spoke of another in the Fall which makes for a very busy and possibly frustrating time as well.

Yes Judy. Both you and Cynthia are correct, that I will have three dogs under 2 years of age. The difference is that I have been in the breed for THIRTEEN YEARS, and maybe, just maybe know from whence I speak. I also train my dogs weekly with a private trainer and belong to a club where I train one to two times per month. And I also have a dear husband who is very active in the handling of the dogs.

You've made it quite clear Judy that you do not approve of me having multiple dogs. I respect your opinion, but I am experinced enough at this point to handle it. Athena is just an old rescue bitch who will live her life out here. Disel will now solely be a working dog now that he is out of the conf ring. Una will be my conformation/working dog as I enjoy conformation. Eros will be Steven's working dog. I am working with long time breeders/trainers who know me, know my experience with the breed and would not hesitate to tell me if I was biting off more than I can handle. Frankly if they thought that they would not sell me a dog at all.

I NEVER said it could not be done. I said that it is difficult at best by an experienced Rottweiler person let alone a novice. Cynthia is obviously a novice to the breed and the best thing would be for her to raise ONE pup first and get to know the breed a bit better. I AM NOT the only person that said that.

[samanthac]

Originally Posted by RottieMom51503

Just because my dogs don't have titles or champion bloodlines does not make me in inexperienced owner. I never claimed to be an expert I know I am far from that. However I am far from stupid about dogs in general or the Rottweiler. I'm not trying to start anything here but talk to me like I am stupid.

Where your dogs came from is YOUR hang up not mine and I never ONCE brought that into it. I have FAR more class than that.

Secondly I did not treat you like you were stupid. I gave you candid advice as did others. Why you choose to be reactional and attack me FOR SAYING THE SAME THING OTHERS DID I do not know.

Ane FTR, I worked in rescue for more years than I can count. If I had a dime for every dog dropped off by someone that got a dog for the dog and then decided that it was too much, I'd be rich.

This is the last I have to say on this.

[RottieMom51503]

I want to Thank Gina for the Information on rehoming Jagger. Thank you for answering my questions and will use the information you wrote about.

I also want to thank Judy for her trust and support in me.

Also thank you to Mick who gave me some good advice on starting to train bear.

Thanks to Buckybear and montanaRotts for you wonderful information as well. You all have helped me out so much.

Also to Samanthac 13 years isn't along time either. I have had female Rotts in the family since i was 8. I am now 23 years old. Yes my mother took care of them but i was still around them and did have chores that our mother had us do with them. She had two females but most of her dogs were German Sheoherds. She took the rotts for my neighbor that went overseas. they were 5 months and 2 years old.

[samanthac]

Bully for you then. Enjoy your dogs.