muzzles to small

[janette]

could someone please help me with a nylon muzzle to fit kai, the mikki muzzle size 5 5xL are to small around the snout, i cant get his nose in them. his measurment around his snout just above his nose is 13" there doesnt seem to be one to fit.

he has to wear a muzzle in public scince the incident so i really need to find one.

i have a basket type muzzle but i want a nylon one to wear with his halti when out

thanks janette

[spidey]

Do not walk a dog in a nylon muzzle. The only acceptable use for such a muzzle is for medical or grooming attention, when it's worn for a short time and the dog isn't expected to exert itself much. It's inhumane and unsafe to walk him in a nylon muzzle, he can't pant in one and breathing should never be interfered with, and these muzzles are very uncomfortable if used for any length of time. Either use the basket muzzle and a prong collar, or figure out some way to get the halti to work with the basket muzzle, but please don't walk him in a nylon muzzle, you'll end up doing far more harm than good to Kai physically and psychologically. He will not be able to concentrate on commands while he's worried about being able to breathe, and a dog who's at any panic level is much more likely to have a hair-trigger temper, which is exactly what you DON'T want with this dog. Also, since I've seen dogs snap at their owners because they felt claustrophobic in a halti, imagine how much worse that response could be in a device like a nylon muzzle which restricts panting and breathing. I can't stress it enough, it is not safe or humane to walk a dog in a nylon muzzle.

[ptremaine]

I second everything Spidey has posted - the muzzle must be a basket style, not the nylon sort. Poor dog will be tortured, trust me on this.

Also, I'm not a fan of the "halti" at all. I've read about it extensively on various vet and training sites and so far, the only fans of this torture device seem to be those who can't train their dogs to mind them, and need to lead the dog around by force. That's not an answer, that's a band-aid. The dog can wear a prong collar much more safely and the owner will have as much, possibly more, control of the dog.

Please read this article before proceeding further with this head collar device: <http://www.flyingdogpress.com/headhalters.html>

Some highlights:

. I consider head halters an equipment choice of last resort for several reasons: resistance, psychological impact and physical considerations....My approach to dog training seeks to engage the dog as a willing partner. In my actions, words and choice of training equipment, I try to avoid anything that will create resistance in the dog. Resistance often springs from fear, discomfort, distrust and defensiveness - none of these are states of mind I want in a dog. Resistance is hardly conducive to learning, and is not supportive of the relationship between dog and human. I view resistance as communication, and in my mind, communication from the dog must be respected and listened to. Where I find resistance, I need to find another way. Head halters, in my experience, frequently do create resistance. - Susan Clother, Flying Dog Press [site noted above]

Good luck and keep an open mind about your relationship with your dog and don't swallow everything a trainer says hook, line and sinker. Do some of your own research and then take into consideration your own dog.

Best wishes to you,

Payton

[Rott-Girl]

[quote]Originally posted by ptremaine
[b]

Also, I'm not a fan of the "halti" at all. I've read about it extensively on various vet and training sites and so far, the only fans of this torture device seem to be those who can't train their dogs to mind them, and need to lead the dog around by force. That's not an answer, that's a band-aid. The dog can wear a prong collar much more safely and the owner will have as much, possibly more, control of the dog.

<http://www.flyingdogpress.com/headhalters.html>


You have NO IDEA what you are talking about!! You don't HAVE to lead your dog around "by force" with the halti. My dog heels by my side perfectly thank you....and guess what???....IT'S NOT OUT OF PAIN AND FEAR!!! :D

[ptremaine]

Originally posted by Rott-Girl

You have NO IDEA what you are talking about!! You don't HAVE to lead your dog around "by force" with the halti. My dog heels by my side perfectly thank you....and guess what???....IT'S NOT OUT OF PAIN AND FEAR!!! :D

I have quite a few ideas what I'm talking about, and so does Clothier, who's probably old enough to be your mother. :)

I've known several dogs who were terrified of the head-halter device, and I happen to believe what I see with my own two eyes. Having had dogs for 35 years of my life, I can generally say that I've never had a dog who didn't respond to a standard collar of some sort, and certainly no dog has ever displayed fear of a collar the way that I've observed some dogs react to the goofy "halti". My dog now happens to pick up her prong collar and happily carry it over to me so we can go for walks.

I'm waiting for the day when some bozo comes up with a "Nosi" for the dog - a ring inserted ala a piercing, into poor Fido's nostrils, so he or she can be "humanely" lead around. :D

PT