AKC papers.....breeder nightmare

[ctruett]

I did something I knew I shouldn't have done. Believe me I am learning from things. This is the first purebred dog I have ever bought or owned. I have heard so many times to not buy the dog until you see the papers. Well I trust people. So I bought the dog. 5 weeks later..... the papers came in the mail today.

Now I could be wrong....... and I will find out. I just don't feel like talking to the breeder before I know what I am talking about. I am begining to question some of the things that this breeder is telling me. I have the papers to send in to AKC to register the dog. But I see that "limited" has been 'x'ed. Saying that the dog cannot be bred and shows are restricted.

I paid high dollars for this dog. I paid high dollars because this dog was suppose to be show quality. Its parents were suppose to be show quality. I was never told that I would be limited. Does this mean that whatever litter comes from him, cannot be AKC registered? Also does this mean that I could never enter him as a show dog. I don't plan on doing either. Well, I had planned on breeding him once, but thats years down the road. I feel like I have bought a dog that is flawed. Should I be looking at it like this or does limited mean something different?

Don't get me wrong, I like my dog, but I could have adopted a rottweiler or bought one from the flea market with limited papers. Not pay what I paid for him.

Plus, shouldn't the breeder have told me this up front. I also have never seen the pedigree or the OFA certificates. I feel stupid.

[whitney greenway]

You should have done your research on this dog and breeder before you entered into anything.

I am sorry to say that, but it is the truth. You can't blame anybody but yourself in this situation.

[godfreyc]

Only a couple of things I think are important. Yes if registration was going to be limited that IMHO should have been stated up front. If you don't plan on showing your dog it doesn't matter from that respect, but IF you breed you will not be able to register any pups. Those are the facts and only the facts pertaining to your situation.

[Carina43]

Definitely should have been stated up front!! That "breeder" is definitely a psycho, given the other issues you're having.

But...HEY! Your dog isn't flawed, really, unless you planned on showing in conformation, or breeding. (You can't, the pups would not be eligible for AKC registration, at any rate.) I have one from a VERY good breeder who is limited because he has a long coat, which is a disqualifying fault. (I linked to his pic below, just because I think the first photo of him is SO pretty and I like to show off! :) )

I don't know what process you went through to get your pup, how much you paid, what discussions you had or what paperwork you signed. But it seems you are skirting close to having some legal issues with this person...however I am not a breeder and have only ever bought one pup from a real, honest-to-goodness breeder, so I may be wrong here.

http://community.webshots.com/user/carinamacd

[Judi W]

Go back and reference your contract and look to see if it states whether purchasing a potential show/breeding prospect or pet/companion. You contract will have all the information you need. It might also state that the dog is on limited registration until it can be evaluated by the breeder and then a determination will be made as to whether to continue limited or make full.

[lblax]

Originally posted by godfreyc
Only a couple of things I think are important. Yes if registration was going to be limited that IMHO should have been stated up front. If you don't plan on showing your dog it doesn't matter from that respect, but IF you breed you will not be able to register any pups. Those are the facts and only the facts pertaining to your situation.

look at your contract usually when a registration is limited as mine it is usually stated in the contract that the dog be nuetured by 1 yr of age or if you wish to breed or show in most cases you can go back to the breeder and pay a price to change the registration. but this is usually when you pay a pet price even though the dog may be show quality. but either way your breeder took advantage of you not knowing and probably sold you a pet quality puppie for show price but yet he covered his lines by giving you a limited registration. the registration can be changed anytime in the dogs life but only the breder can do it

[ctruett]

Originally posted by Judi W
Go back and reference your contract and look to see if it states whether purchasing a potential show/breeding prospect or pet/companion. You contract will have all the information you need. It might also state that the dog is on limited registration until it can be evaluated by the breeder and then a determination will be made as to whether to continue limited or make full.

Actually I was never given a contract. I got a bunch of articles and then a hip guarantee. No contract.

[TrinityRun]

Originally posted by ctruett
Actually I was never given a contract. I got a bunch of articles and then a hip guarantee. No contract.

A hip guarantee in writing?

And I'm curious about something you said in your original post. You stated: "I did something I knew I shouldn't have done."
You mean you had questions before you purchased the pup?

If so, don't beat yourself up but it would be a good lesson for anyone else who sees little red flags or their gut instinct tells them something isn't right.

I never advocate anyone viewing a litter prior to doing their homework as once there, people think with their hearts and not their heads. All pups are cute at 7 weeks.

CT - you'll find my website in my profile. Would you send me an email please? Thanks!

[rottcrazed]

Unfortunately, if you have no contract, then you are kind of out of luck because your breeder can simply tell you that the dog is yours now, your problem. I am from Canada and the CKC registers dogs a little differently, my understanding is that your limited registration doesn't allow breeding or showing but all other performance events, right? If you didn't sign a contract, then the breeder doesn't have to change the registration because nothing was said upfront. Sounds to me like this reputable breeder isn't. Hey, we all make mistakes, this is a learning experience.

If you paid a high price and were guaranteed to see health checks, call the breeder and demand a pedigree and all clearances and copies of anything else she has. The AKC keeps much better records than the CKC, with your papers when you get them, you should also get a three generation pedigree and that should include OFA numbers if in fact the dogs have been cleared.

My suggestion, call the breeder and demand the info you want, you paid the money you are entitled to it. However, unless the breeder is reasonable, which I doubt, you likely won't be able to change the limited registration.

Kristi

[lblax]

youve got 2 differant posts going and it boils down to this iether forget the breeder get your dog to the vet and in classes and accept the dog for what it is probably a fine pet and companion, you cant show or breed because of the paperwork. and chalk this experiance up to just that. you didnt do your homework to get a show puppy with guarrantees!!!! or get a lawyer if you feel that you were intentionally mislead by this breeder and go get him!!!!!! but if you just assumed you would get a pedigree and guarantees then let it drop and enjoy your puppy

[ctruett]

Originally posted by TrinityRun
A hip guarantee in writing?

And I'm curious about something you said in your original post. You stated: "I did something I knew I shouldn't have done."
You mean you had questions before you purchased the pup?

If so, don't beat yourself up but it would be a good lesson for anyone else who sees little red flags or their gut instinct tells them something isn't right.

I never advocate anyone viewing a litter prior to doing their homework as once there, people think with their hearts and not their heads. All pups are cute at 7 weeks.

CT - you'll find my website in my profile. Would you send me an email please? Thanks!

Yes, the hip guarantee is in writing. I can get him tested later on and if doesn't pass then they will either replace him or something like that.

I said I did something that I shouldn't have cause I have watched Court cases on tv and heard so many people say not to take the pup home without getting the papers. I took him home with her word that they would mail them. Which they did and I might be over reacting but I wish I would have saw the limited on the AKC papers first. I would have asked about that right there and then. Now its too late. Maybe they will change it.

[LynnS]

Judi W brought up a good point.
I bought my pup as show quality
the akc reg papers gave us limited registration
The Breeder saw her 2 weeks ago and is changing the registration based on her evaluation and our desire to show her.

[ctruett]

Originally posted by TrinityRun
A hip guarantee in writing?

And I'm curious about something you said in your original post. You stated: "I did something I knew I shouldn't have done."
You mean you had questions before you purchased the pup?

If so, don't beat yourself up but it would be a good lesson for anyone else who sees little red flags or their gut instinct tells them something isn't right.

I never advocate anyone viewing a litter prior to doing their homework as once there, people think with their hearts and not their heads. All pups are cute at 7 weeks.

CT - you'll find my website in my profile. Would you send me an email please? Thanks!

I guess I have not been here long enough. It will not let me look at your profile. I cannot send pms either. I don't know if my email address is on my profile or not. I will check to make sure it is. And if you can view my profile, contact me.

[frontierrots]

Click on her www and that will take you to her website and from there you can email her :)

[rottcrazed]

You need to have a contract with the breeder to state that he/she will do an evaluation of the dog at a certain age in order to lift the limited registration, don't you? Or at least, you should. In my opinion, I don't think this breeder would a.) know enough to say that the dog was or was not good conformation as an adult, and b.) care enough to do an evaluation in the first place.

A lesson here to be learned, research the breeder and the breeder's lines before purchase. Make sure they have a contract for you to sign, that protects the puppy and you. A caring breeder will want to protect the puppy first and foremost.

Kristi