Red Rott??

[mommylun]

I recently got two puppies from the same litter, a male and female. The male has all of the traditional coloring and all of the other features of a standard rott. My female has all of the features of a standard rott, except that her undercoat is a reddish color, and she has a small amount of red mixed in the black hair on her head. The man I got them from only had the mother, and I did not see the father. He told me father was a red rott. Is there any such thing or could he have been mixed with something? The mother was a traditional colored rott. If anyone has any info on this I would greatly appreciate it.

[Rona]

Hi,

My new dog Bruno has got red in his coat as well. I wondered if it was because he had been kept outside before I got him and if it was something to do with the sun. I will keep reading this post because I am interested too.

Best regards,

Rona

[Nancy Estes]

You'll find a lot of Rottweilers with a red/rust undercoat on the head, as well as elsewhere, like the back of the ears next to the head. It isn't unusual for it to show through the outer coat on puppies. Red Rottweilers are not correct under the breed standard and a true red Rottweiler would not have a black coat with red showing through but would have undercoat and outer coat of red or rust.

Nancy

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[JROD]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nancy Estes:
Red Rottweilers are not correct under the breed standard and a true red Rottweiler would not have a black coat with red showing through but would have undercoat and outer coat of red or rust.

Nancy
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Nancy - Is it true that a "red rottweiler" is a result of heavy inbreeding?

[luvarott]

From what I have read...."red rotts" are the result of not inbreeding, but a non-Rott being used in breeding ie.they are mutts. The coloration of a purebred Rottweiler is an absolutely dominant trait for decades and you cannot get red without another breed being used.
A reddish tinge to the undercoat can be caused by sunlight, by the need for a good bath and groom (ie. dead fur), some people feel that feeding certain foods that contain a large amount of beet pulp in it can also cause the color to go off....

[frontierrots]

Red rottweiler coloration is an uncommon recessive just like long coats and wire coats. All 3 are undesireable

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Diane
Frontier Rottweilers & Shiba Inu and
"Virtual" midwife for NorthEast Rottweiler Rescue & Referral http://www.rottrescue.org

[Goose71]

Here's an informative article on the red Rott. It does state that it may be a result of major inbreeding. The writer does seem very knowledgeable and does her research, but then again it is a website, not "the book of true hard facts" so take it for what it's worth, it made sense to me though.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/...ler_dogs/42764

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"Luck happens when preparation meets opportunity"

[German Vanegas]

Maybe a horny Doberman screwed up the "gene pool"! LOL!

On the serious side, I am with Nancy Estes. Be aware: red Rottweilers are not accepted by the breed standards and should not be breed to eliminate the proliferation of such unnaceptable coat color.

[janette]

hi just to let you know, in a local free ads paper ther is a litter of 7 rotties, 5 dogs and 2 bitches. all of these are advertised as being rare red rottweilers K.C reg full pedigree. is it usual for a full litter to be this colour? would both parents have to be red? i was told it is a recessive gene that causes a red rot

[German Vanegas]

Check this thread out. It will tell you a lot about those "red rottweilers".

http://www.amrottclub.org/redrotts.html

[winniecnm]

In canine genetics, the agouti, specifically the aT series is responsible for the black and tan markings present in the Rottweiler. This has been bred for generations upon generations.

After doing my own studying on the web about canine coat genetics, specifically at http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Genetics/ColorGen.html ,(a little hard to follow unless you have taken genetics before) and a few other great research sites, I have come to wonder if the red coat color, which is caused by a recessive E gene hasn't been almost eliminated from the Rottweiler's gene pool through years of selective breeding and that this current rash of red rottweilers has been brought about by crossing a rottweiler with some other breed maybe a dobie?

Breeding a dog that is out of the standard or is a mutt and obviously does not have the desired genotype for the breed is BYB as far as I am concerned. It makes me wonder if the parents had any health clearances before being bred.

I agree with German. Good luck with your new family members and remember that this forum is full of wonderful members who can help you with alot of things that pop up as a puppy owner.

[sumo]

i don't know much about red rotts, but they seem to be becoming well known where i live. i've seen 2 red rotts in area and have spoken to the owners both times.

British Columbians seem to be importing these animals from Alaska. The last fellow i spoke to told me that he regretted the purchase soon after, when the dog developed bald patches and weak front legs. He bought the dog when he was looking for a family pet and did not know any better.

The breeder had sold him based on a load of poop theory that red rotts make better pets because they look "less frightening and less intimidating" to the public, that rotts have developed a bad reputation and that by developing a new color, he is really protecting the breed.

Anyways, both examples of red rotts looked totally different from eachother. one was a reddish tan, and the other one was more of a chocolate. in my opinion, they don't look as nice as the "real thing".

[rottmommie]

just bringin this up to the top again, as someone and I forgot who.....asked me about red rotts in the chat room.....
I would read the link that was posted by german....

[southerncomfort]

I found this article on the American Rottweiler Club wbesite will attach the address...(Not good for Red Rotts)

A "Red Rottweiler" carries a genetic fault which inhibits the display of the characteristic black base coat color. It is a recessive gene, which when expressed, gives the appearance of a light brown or auburn base coat color with light auburn markings.

Frequently, "Red Rottweilers" also exhibit lighter colored eyes which may possibly be linked to a higher incidence of eye problems. In addition, some sources claim to have found "Red Rottweilers" to also carry a higher incidence of cardiac problems.

The American Kennel Club (AKC) is not registering Rottweilers displaying this trait, which has never been confirmed as pure bred. The current breed standard distinctly says: "Color: Always black with rust to mahogany markings; and disqualifications: any base color other than black..."

The American Rottweiler Club will uphold the Rottweiler as a black dog with clearly defined markings. We cannot allow this genetic fault to corrupt the purity of our breed.

The American Rottweiler Club must prevent the breeders of "Red Rottweilers" from further contaminating our gene pool. Breeders of "Red Rottweilers" oftentimes classify these genetic variants as harmless, and frequently advertise them as "rare". Do not let the promoters of "Red Rottweilers" fool you. The Rottweiler breed is not improved by incorporating this disqualifying genetic fault. Ethical breeders do not intentionally breed for disqualifying faults. And remember, the danger not only resides in the red-coated Rottweiler puppy from a litter but in all the littermates as well, even though the littermates may have a base color of black.
http://www.amrottclub.org/redrotts.html

[marino]

Going back to the question about the dogs coat having a red tinge to it and having it possibly be from being outside. I know for a fact that it is the dead hairs that get bleached from the sun. When Mccoy spent alot of time outside this past summer (we had a hot summer for being in Alaska) his hair started getting a reddish tinge to it but it was only on his back above his thighs. This hair was longer than the rest of his hair so I knew it was dead hair. I invested in a under coat rake and after much needed brushing his black hair was back.