Fila's And Dobermans

[BIGWRIGHT]

I went to the website of the owners of working Dogo's and I was impressed and I also realized they are the same breeders as in the video DOGS THAT PROTECT and I see the same problem they have allot of flaws such as deafness (which though they can be tested for this it still may occur) Aslo their coats are sensitive and can have allot of allegies. That comes form the breeder themselves. Their was a comment that American Bulldogs are being used by drug dealers and other not welcomed people well so have rottweiler< Fila's, any dog they think will attack which is a real big problem and you sometimes wonder how these people slip by breeders and actually become drug dogs. The rottweiler just keeps stacking up as the best job for protection, The fila may still be a great dog for some people but education is the key and that's what I plan to do more because i did cross the Fila off my list but after recieving several e-mails from a reputable Fila breeder I may have been misled. Do you know how I first found out about this breed? A long time agao when I was dumb and trusting I bought a puppy from Kimbertal Kennels (Yes I know them) and with the pup they sent me pictures and history on the fila. I first though this guy was crazy especially the part when he wanted you to take the dog tie it up and have somone slap the dog in the face so that the dog would no longer trust anyone anymore. Crazy people will do crazy things I'm convinced on that.

[German Vanegas]

Originally posted by BIGWRIGHT
I went to the website of the owners of working Dogo's and I was impressed and I also realized they are the same breeders as in the video DOGS THAT PROTECT and I see the same problem they have allot of flaws such as deafness (which though they can be tested for this it still may occur) Aslo their coats are sensitive and can have allot of allegies. That comes form the breeder themselves.

Yes indeed; However, I like to clarify the reason why there are not that many Dogos in protection rings.

First, the Dogo is a native of Argentina (far down in South America), where the breed has been traditionally bred to hunt big game and to fiercely protect its family pack and territory. Argentinians could care less about dog sports.

Secondly, the Dogo is a very rare breed, still not very popular in the States (Thanks God!). Therefore, Mrs. Harris has been the only breeder committed to exploit the Dogo's full potential. So she has taken it upon herself to train her 'dogos" and qualifiy them in dog sports, to demonstrate the world what a Dogo can do :)... And she and her Dogos have delivered ;)

In any case, the number of Dogos is significantly way low when you compare it to breeds like the GSD, Malinois, Rottweiler, etc., so, obviously, it's not fair to make sport title comparisons with the Dogo. Nevertheless, Dogos are proven protection/guard dogs

As far as the video "Dogs that protect" is concerned, I think is a well-intended production, but, with some serious flaws. The biggest one being: few of the breeders were actually good representatives of their breed, and so they failed miserably in portraying them. Unfortunately, most of the breeders shown in that video were not that knowledgeable and experienced enough, therefore, their dogs were unimpressive and didn't deliver the true capabilities of the given breed. Worth mentioning too is the fact that, other fine protection capable breeds were left out, although I understand the difficulties of including them all. I have to say that some of the breeders shown in that tape did a good job at representing their breed of choice.There are other flaws, such as the protection dog specialist IMO, he was not up to the task.

All and all, "Dogs that protect" is not a bad video, but it can be quite misleading to the novice ;)

In regards to the Dogo's alleged ailments, let me assure you that ALL BREEDS have health concerns. All of them. That is why is so highly recommended that you request a breeder to show you proof of health cleareances from his/er stock. As you may know, the Rottweiler breed is not exempted of health problems either. The rule of thumb is that you should get a pup, or a dog, that has been screened out for potential genetic diseases.

As far as the Dogo being sensitive to the sun, well, can you imagine a Rottweiler being exposed to the sun in the summer for quite some time?... You know, that black coat absorbing all that heat... Not good, right? The fact is that, in general, all dogs are prone to heat exhaustation and heat-stroke. The Dogo, being of white short coat, can get sunburns, but he is way more heat tolerant than most other breeds ;) So my advise is: do not expose ANY dog breed to the intense sun and/or heat. Instead, provide adequate shade, shelter and comfort from high temperatures to your dog, to prevent potential negative reactions to the hot weather ;)

Originally posted by BIGWRIGHT
Their was a comment that American Bulldogs are being used by drug dealers and other not welcomed people well so have rottweiler< Fila's, any dog they think will attack which is a real big problem and you sometimes wonder how these people slip by breeders and actually become drug dogs.

It's is very sad, but unfortunately so tragically true. I know from first-hand knowledge that American Bulldogs are being used here in Texas as guard dogs for drug stash houses, and as dog-fighters. A recent case in which a drug dealer's house was raided by narcotics agents, the biggest problem they had to deal with was how to handle the 16 American Bulldogs kept in that propety to guard it from intruders, namely: cops. After the raid was succesful, officers also found (besides illegal drugs and guns) amateur video tapes of dog fightings, a "training camp" in the backyard, and ledgers detailing the dog-fighting activity! I saw the videos and, for us dog lovers, is really heart breaking and painful to see those so called humans (I prefer to call them beasts!) enjoying seeing those poor dogs conditioned to fight to the death :( ... You feel like throwing those guys into a pool with hungry Nile Crocodiles!

Originally posted by BIGWRIGHT
The rottweiler just keeps stacking up as the best job for protection

I concur. Cheers!

[gparcels]

Check out this breed, interesting how much they look like a bear. Anyone ever here of them..?



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[Ramon]

Originally posted by BIGWRIGHT
Also American Bulldogs anyone know anything about them by experience or by good or bad.

Thanks

I presently own and train an AB. If you can find a good one, they are a great all-around dog: strong, athletic, good looks, well behaved at home, tenacious at work. They now have an Irondog competition where AB's compete in spints, weight pull, hitting a decoy, 12-mile run, tug-of-war, and hanging on a spring pole. It amazes me how a dog can be so athletic and so tenacious and at the same time have a great personality at home. The trick is finding a good breeder because they are few and far between, and I've seen people who paid a lot of money for garbage. I went out of state to get mine, and it was definitely worth the trouble. So, you see, I think it's a great breed because of the goods ones I've seen, but I'll admit that the majority of them are poorly bred and not what you'd want. If you're serious about finding a good one, send me a PM and I can fill you in.

[MARYDVM]

Finding a good breeder is important before purchasing an American Bulldog. Finding a good breeding can also be tough. It has been my experience that there can be a lot of temperament variation within a single litter of ABs, even from tested parents. This is true in all breeds to a certain extent, but can be very marked with ABs. Maybe this has to do with the variable history of the American Bulldog. A fair number of the hog dogs or "White English" have very little ability or interest in "manwork" or protection sports. Some of the Johnson types can have too much aggression, to the point of being unstable. I have found that purchasing from a breeder with a proven track record for producing the kind of dogs you prefer still does not guarantee appropriate temperament and health. However, this kind of breeder does usually stand behind their guarantee and offer a replacement puppy if things don't work out. The question then becomes, how many bulldogs can the house hold? I have purchased ABs from 4 different breeders. I just got one replacement pup this fall. I am owed two more that I probably won't collect on due to time and space constraints. I would have preferred to simply have gotten one good dog the first time, and left it at that.

[valdes43]

MARYDVM,

Are you happy with him? Are you working him? Did you feel the breeding produced ( so far ) nice dogs? Just curious.. I remember who your breeder was and was wondering if you were satisfied? Isn't he working Mals now?