Complete Rottweilers ?

[pluto]

Hi ,

I raise this question (rather then a statement) Not out of Prejudice or disdain for the Show rottweilers that are currently campaigning but out of curiosity (wether others who are students of the breed share similar opinion or can provide good explainations) and for want of answers . I have been looking at some of the top comformation rottweilers that are currently competing in Europe and well comparing them to my visualization of the standard i find that they are lacking in some areas . I see some rottweilers being very highly placed (wont name them :-) ) who have very Little rear angles and other dogs with Pink Lips , Loose flews and light eyes getting some very good placements . Should one outstanding feature be allowed to Influence the Judge's opinion so much that the rest of the stuff is overlooked ? Can a dog with Huge typey head , excellent front but totally lacking rear ( angulation) be placed high enough over dogs that are perhaps not as good in certain aspects but more balanced in outlook and harmonius ?

Is breeding for such dogs Concious breeding ? Can a breeder be really called outstanding if his breeding is showing same faults over and over again (be-it he/she is also producing the same strong points) ???

Also another question about Judging rules and regulations . I am a convert into the rottweiler breed :-) , German shepards were my first Love as a young Kid and i have grown up with them , followed the breed and their sieger shows . Though I beleive we can do well in staying away from a lot of the things going around in that breed but I do believe that we can learn one thing from them - Ie. The dogs should be placed with due consideration being placed on Progeny . Progeny should determine wether a dog is going to represent the breed or not . It is undisputable that ratings at the Klub show influence the cource or direction that the breed is taking , so why not use progeny as another benchmark ?

Why cant we have VA status dogs at the show where to earn VA rating you have to pull off a working routine aswell as show a reasonably strong progeny class (or else promise beyond belief) ??

I would love to know what other members feel about some of these questions , the entire train of thought was to come up with a constructive conversation .. after all we all want the breed to become healthier , stronger and more better .

[Skip]

Originally Posted by pluto

Hi ,

I raise this question (rather then a statement) Not out of Prejudice or disdain for the Show rottweilers that are currently campaigning but out of curiosity (wether others who are students of the breed share similar opinion or can provide good explainations) and for want of answers . I have been looking at some of the top comformation rottweilers that are currently competing in Europe and well comparing them to my visualization of the standard i find that they are lacking in some areas . I see some rottweilers being very highly placed (wont name them :-) ) who have very Little rear angles and other dogs with Pink Lips , Loose flews and light eyes getting some very good placements . Should one outstanding feature be allowed to Influence the Judge's opinion so much that the rest of the stuff is overlooked ? Can a dog with Huge typey head , excellent front but totally lacking rear ( angulation) be placed high enough over dogs that are perhaps not as good in certain aspects but more balanced in outlook and harmonius ?

Is breeding for such dogs Concious breeding ? Can a breeder be really called outstanding if his breeding is showing same faults over and over again (be-it he/she is also producing the same strong points) ???

Also another question about Judging rules and regulations . I am a convert into the rottweiler breed :-) , German shepards were my first Love as a young Kid and i have grown up with them , followed the breed and their sieger shows . Though I beleive we can do well in staying away from a lot of the things going around in that breed but I do believe that we can learn one thing from them - Ie. The dogs should be placed with due consideration being placed on Progeny . Progeny should determine wether a dog is going to represent the breed or not . It is undisputable that ratings at the Klub show influence the cource or direction that the breed is taking , so why not use progeny as another benchmark ?

Why cant we have VA status dogs at the show where to earn VA rating you have to pull off a working routine aswell as show a reasonably strong progeny class (or else promise beyond belief) ??

I would love to know what other members feel about some of these questions , the entire train of thought was to come up with a constructive conversation .. after all we all want the breed to become healthier , stronger and more better .

Couldn't help myself from congratulating myself and my dog. I think Shane is one of the better, young, proven "Complete Rottweilers" in the US today..consistently winning in work AND show (with great health certifications). No progeny yet, because I have not offered him as stud yet...

[pluto]

Good going Skip , Do you got any pictures of your dog?

[Skip]

Originally Posted by pluto

Good going Skip , Do you got any pictures of your dog?

Yes, but most are too big to load here, and I hate to lessen the resolution..I'll see what I can come up with. He'll be featured in an article in the next USRC magazine, and I think I will put an ad in the mag also.

[jazzking1971]

Skip, does your dog have snow nose like some of Samantha's other dogs?

I've been seeing that in a lot of different Rottie lines lately.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by jazzking1971

Skip, does your dog have snow nose like some of Samantha's other dogs?

I've been seeing that in a lot of different Rottie lines lately.

Shane does not have snow nose. Samantha Canuso? Don't know if she has any dogs from the same line as Shane. Shane was not purchased from her. Not sure what connection you are trying to make here?

[TrinaJ]

Originally Posted by Skip

Yes, but most are too big to load here, and I hate to lessen the resolution..I'll see what I can come up with. He'll be featured in an article in the next USRC magazine, and I think I will put an ad in the mag also.

try uploading them to photobucket and just posting the link here it 'should' work even on larger files without having to modify the resolution

[Skip]

I think a lot of these old lines were good because people actually worked them, titled them, and proved it. It's all well and good to know a lot about the old lines and who was good then, but it takes a lot more commitment to actually work and title what you buy (or breed), and prove any offspring. I see a HUGE lack of that nowadays.

[dipper]

Jazz,
Samantha was the person that first purchased Maik and brought him to the USA---I don't think she had him that long and sold him to a breeder on the west coast.

Rich

[hcelsa]

Originally Posted by Skip

but it takes a lot more commitment to actually work and title what you buy (or breed), and prove any offspring. I see a HUGE lack of that nowadays.

I most definitely agree, and I find this reality very sad. These people sure are missing out on the best part of living with a working dog, they're missing out on a wonderful relationship with their dog built through working, and they're not doing the breed any favors. At this point in time we have scads of folks breeding dogs that they've never actually worked in ANY venue (and in many cases the breeders themselves have never really worked a dog in any venue either).