Change name on the Pedigree

[DinoGina]

Greetings all,
I have two great pups Male and Female( different breeders) that I intend on working. Both come from excellent pedigree and my family and I are very excited sharing our lives with this great bread again.

I named my male using a famous German Kennel and my female with another kennel that moved to the US. This was a bone head thing to do and at the time I did not think much of it because they were only for working and OB. But lately, these pups are very looking good and even the breeders have suggested I show them in german style or AKC. Although, I would like work them first, my family and I would not mind having a respectable judge give us all the particulars.

I called the AKC and they said the the names could not be changed at all. When the Customer service brought up the kennel names on both dogs after thier names, she said that thier kennels did not show up as being registered.

I am just embarrassed and do not want to appear insincere, I would just like to know if anyone knows a way around me changing my dogs Full AKC registration names.

The next thing I could do is call the kennel directly ask for forgiveness and explain that it was done more as s compliment and admiration.


Thanks,

[frontierrots]

AKC does in fact allow- for a fee- a one time change in name. It's not something I usually approve of because a kennel usually has naming themes and wants them to stay as they were decided when bought.

HOWEVER in your case it seems the breeders let you name the dogs whatever, so perhaps it would be ok.

Someone on the board here recently changed their dog's name-with breeder consent

[DinoGina]

Thank you. I think that I did not make myself clear, I named my dogs after two distinct kennels without permission. Again, I should have known better even though my intentions with these dogs were working and not for breedings.

I will call the AKC again and ask them to change the name on the registration, The lady in Customer Service was pretty stern and said that there was no way to it could be changed. She also told me that the kennel names that I had suffixed named my dog's name after were not coming up on the AKC's list of registered Kennels. I will call again.

I currently in contact with the Kennels and explained the what happened.

Thanks again

[frontierrots]

honestly it matters not if the kennel names are registered or not (almost none are because AKC has a weird criteria) YOU CAN change the dog's names as long as they have not done any show winning or produced a litter. If you do a search here you may even find my post on the subject with the exact wording.

maybe Sharon will see this and post as well, she just changed her dog's name slightly

[dipper]

I can't imagine why you would have done that ---you say that they both have excellent pedigrees.
Many breeders insist that their puppy buyers use THEIR kennel name in naming and registering any puppy they breed---apparently your breeder did not.
What you did can be looked at like you were trying to fool people---that you were misrepresenting the linage of your puppies.
Many "famous" kennels got that way through generations of careful breeding and very hard work, many disappointments and long nights---for you to use their kennel name is just wrong and one could question your motives and what is the difference if you say the pups were for working and OB?? What does that have to do with it??
If you "admire" and want to "compliment" a kennel, spend the money sign a contract and PURCHASE one of THEIR puppies---don't try to stick their good name on some other pup.

There are laws in place for things like this.
I think the penalty should be----as far as the AKC is concerned--is offering you NO registration at all.
IN fact, I am surprised that they did not pull your registration by now.


Rich

[brunie's mom]

I'm also curious to know if these pups had such a great pedigree and breeding...why their breeders did not insist on their own kennel names being used as part of the registered names?

Most if not all usually insist on it.

If you have no plans on breeding...you can spay/neuter them and apply for a ILP number and then you can do obedience and sport with them.

Gina

[DinoGina]

Thanks for the replies. Please know that I am not trying to decieve anyone and my motives are sincere. I later recognized that the dogs may have potential and did not want to go "out there" and have any problems. This is why I posted asking for advice on changing the name as I am novice in show/work. I am not one for missrepresenting myself or my dogs.


I purchased a female pup from a BYB back in 1995 and spent on small fortune on having both femors operated on. She gave us six years of love and companionship. Shortly after aquiring my crippled female I purchased a male pup from what I thought at that time was a respectable breeder. I got lucky with him as he was beautiful in everyway. We put him down after 10 years due to cancer. He was above standard and beautiful but did not show or breed him as I have witnessed the countless discarted rotties in the Jersey pounds
I respect the hard work, sacrifice, time and money that the long standing respecting kennels have earned. I firmly believe in neuter/spaying your pets if they are not for show/breeding.

I will contact the AKC and get the Kennel names omitted.

Thanks again for your comments and advice.

[DinoGina]

Pedigrees for both of my dogs have been changed and kennel names removed. I contacted the affected kennels and informed them of what happened. Its all good.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my post.

[TrinaJ]

Were the puppies not registered before you bought them? Is that why you were able to register them under someone elses Breeder Prefix? I had no idea you could even name them them if you didn't breed them.

[SABELLESMOM]

Originally Posted by dipper

Many breeders insist that their puppy buyers use THEIR kennel name in naming and registering any puppy they breed---apparently your breeder did not.

Actually, breeder's cannot force a buyer to use their kennel name. My friend got her pup from a breeder not far from my own breeder. The pup was to be shipped, somehow, as the buyer was in a severe accident prior to picking up the pup.

The buyer made arrangement thru personal friends of hers to pick up the pup, with one exchange to a second set of friends. The breeder went against the plan, stating being handed over to 2 sets of people would be far too stressful to the pup.

The breeder, took it upon herself to send the dog with another of her own buyers who lived about 3 hours away. Closer, yes. She claimed she had the right to protect her pup.

When everything was said and done, and my freind with brand new back surgery had to drive the 3 hours, herself...she was understandably upset. She feared there would be no pup to pick up.

The breeder had dutifully filled in her kennel name on the reg. papers, and had signed her permission for the kennel name. Litter reg. numbers, etc. all filled in. Only the actual naming of the dog was left to the buyer.

The buyer was so angry, and stressed over this woman having done this to her, she called AKC. AKC said she, the buyer, is under NO OBLIGATION to use the kennel name. She was told to white it out and name the dog whatever she wanted. She used "Mack's _____ _____ _____ ____." Mack was her husband's nick name. This was to be his dog.

Back to the OP: I'm so glad everything worked out!

[frontierrots]

well in my case it IS in my contract that the name must start with Frontier AND the letter of that litter. When the buyers come I help them fill out the papers with an appropriate name they chose (unless the pup is here beyond 12 weeks in which case I name it) THEN the buyers write a check to AKC and I staple it to the registration and "I" mail all the litters papers at once together.

I take NO chance that the name will be changed. I am even changing my contract to say that the name cannot be changed later. I bred it by God my kennel name will stay on it

[TrinaJ]

Originally Posted by frontierrots

well in my case it IS in my contract that the name must start with Frontier AND the letter of that litter. When the buyers come I help them fill out the papers with an appropriate name they chose (unless the pup is here beyond 12 weeks in which case I name it) THEN the buyers write a check to AKC and I staple it to the registration and "I" mail all the litters papers at once together.

I take NO chance that the name will be changed. I am even changing my contract to say that the name cannot be changed later. I bred it by God my kennel name will stay on it

I dont blame you. If i bred the dog, i'd be making damn sure my name stayed on too! When we got Jett she was named Willemstadt Elite Love (her kennel name) that is what her registered name is. Her home name (what we call her) is Jett. We were allowed to choose that name. With Jett being my first Pedigree dog i was always under the assumption that the dogs were sold with their kennel name.

[Skip]

Sounds real fishy to me. Sounds like the OP bought a male and female, lied about the kennel they came from, (maybe for some crooked breeding purpose down the road?), I can't imagine any other reason. Oh what a tangled web we weave......

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by TrinaJ

Were the puppies not registered before you bought them? Is that why you were able to register them under someone elses Breeder Prefix? I had no idea you could even name them them if you didn't breed them.

In Canada and it must be the same in Australia...the breeder fills in and registers all of their puppies. They do the paperwork...and the CKC completes the registration and then the breeder sends it to the puppy owners. Most of the breeders I know also want their kennel name to be used in the name as well as the theme, or letter that goes with the litter. Some breeders give you a chance to think of a good registered name and allow the new owner to be for some input. Also, the breeder must have some permanent identification on the registered puppy...either microchip or tattoo .

Gina

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by Skip

Sounds real fishy to me. Sounds like the OP bought a male and female, lied about the kennel they came from, (maybe for some crooked breeding purpose down the road?), I can't imagine any other reason. Oh what a tangled web we weave......

What good breeder sells their puppies with full registration and full breeding rights? Most would not give full registration unless it was planned when they got the pups that they would be shown, or involved in some sport...and that would be in a contract.
Titles and health certs are required for most breeders before they would allow you to breed one of the dogs that they produced.

Gina