Bitch unlikely to win Best in Show???

[JemarsSerena]

Just to add to Spidey, what is important to consider is; has the dog been tested in multiple venues by multiple judges and excelled. My bitch will earn her CH (almost there!). I will not even consider breeding her unless she excels in the obedience ring and earns her BH and is rated V by several different judges and passes health clearances. Even IF she meats all that she still has to pass health clearances. Even after all that she may not produce well based on the genetics of the male mixing with hers. There is really too much to consider when you talk about will a bitch or male produce well. I lean more to not breeding simply because I am way too lazy to consider all the variables.

[linedog]

Originally Posted by spidey

Sorry, this is absolutely not true. She MAY have good genes, she MAY have good offspring, but simply being a very successful conformation dog does not mean that a dog has good genes OR that they will pass along their good conformation, nor does it mean that a dog is healthy, has an appropriate temperament, or anything else other than that individual dog was the best match for the breed standard and showed well on that particular day at that particular show. Conformation showing is just ONE ingredient of making breeding decisions, it is nowhere near an indication that a dog has good genes that they will pass along (indeed, there are MANY dogs with mediocre success in the breed ring who produce offspring which are far better than themselves, and many other very successful dogs who produce mediocre at best offspring).

well said Spidey and very true, wish genetics were that simple, some of the worst specimens of the breed I have seen have come from dual champion breedings.

[RottsNScotts]

There aren't that many dual champion Rotties! Are you speaking of another breed or are you speaking of our Rotties???? :-0

[fbkeays]

Originally Posted by RottsNScotts

There aren't that many dual champion Rotties! Are you speaking of another breed or are you speaking of our Rotties???? :-0

I think he was not using the term, "dual champion" correctly. I know what a dual champion is, but I "think" he meant that both the sire and the dam had championships. If I am wrong, I appologize. A dual champion is a rottweiler with both a conformation championship and a herding championship (or OTCh or MACH).

[Skip]

Originally Posted by warriec

if you have a bitch that wins best in show she is worth her weight in gold. She will have super offspring passing on good genes

Warriec...you are sounding more and more like a brand new inexperienced dog person.

[RottsNScotts]

This is the AKC definition of Dual Champion, copied from the AKC website on their definition of titles; it does not include OTCH or MACH...

DC Dual Champion:
Any dog that has been awarded the title of Champion of Record (Ch.) may be designated as a "Dual Champion," after it has also been awarded the title of Field Champion (FC) or Herding Champion (HC)
[ Conformation / Field Trial / Herding Trial ]

But linedog could have been using it in another sense...

[observer]

Originally Posted by warriec

if you have a bitch that wins best in show she is worth her weight in gold. She will have super offspring passing on good genes

In this poster's country, given his posts about dog shows in his country, I don't think Best in Show means much. AND, winning a best in show in ANY country does not mean that the dog in question will not pass on bad genes and have offspring with significant faults. There are just too many gene combinations to keep that from happening. Are the odds of quality pups better with a dog that is truly proven in the show ring (perhaps not in Third World countries) Yes, they are -- but it's too simplistic to say she would be "worth her weight in gold" and her pups would all be super.

[fbkeays]

Originally Posted by RottsNScotts

This is the AKC definition of Dual Champion, copied from the AKC website on their definition of titles; it does not include OTCH or MACH...

DC Dual Champion:
Any dog that has been awarded the title of Champion of Record (Ch.) may be designated as a "Dual Champion," after it has also been awarded the title of Field Champion (FC) or Herding Champion (HC)
[ Conformation / Field Trial / Herding Trial ]

But linedog could have been using it in another sense...

This is what happens when I post while I am still asleep. I was getting ahead of myself. The OTCH/MACH/CT comes into play in triple championships- Janet is right that you need to have a herding championship first for dual championship in rottweilers.