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Old 09-21-2007, 10:35 AM
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What entails showing my Dog?

The USRC is having a show in CT in Nov and I would like to show jake for conformation he is 17 months. What is done, I am in a wheelchair, could I do it myself? Is there a lot of running involved. Can I nhave a friend handle jake?

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Old 09-21-2007, 10:52 AM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

In my opinion, you should have someone else show the dog for you. There is usually quite a bit of running. Have your friend handle Jake... you can help bait him from outside the ring.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:18 AM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

skip what is entailed, I have never been to one before. I am going to the SCH trial tomorrow to watch, that one in in CT. He will be doing the Northeast regional on nov 17th in CT . Will you be at the ny event Nov 8-11 Ill be there with jake for the BH I think.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:53 AM
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skip what is entailed, I have never been to one before. I am going to the SCH trial tomorrow to watch, that one in in CT. He will be doing the Northeast regional on nov 17th in CT . Will you be at the ny event Nov 8-11 Ill be there with jake for the BH I think.
Usually the judge (depending on how many dogs are in the class) will bring all the dogs and and handlers in the ring...usually in catalog order...and space them out around the ring. Then the judge will individually critique each dog out loud...teeth must be shown (front,sides, and back), and males are checked for 2 testicles. This is when someone outside the ring can also help bait the dog to help keep it focused and attentive and standing properly. After the critique, the judge will then have that dog and handler do a single (usually) run around the ring so the judge can check movement. After ALL dogs are critiqued (and do their individual runs), then the judge will have ALL the dogs and handlers run around the ring together. Once in awhile the judge will change it to a walk, but most of the time it is a run..(actually a trot). The judge is looking to tire the dogs out a bit, so that strengths and weaknesses in overall physical structure come to the surface. Then the judge will start pulling the dogs out and making his general placements. When the judge has positioned all the dogs to the center of the ring, now he starts looking over the dogs individually and as a group to determine final placings. A lot more baiting is done outside the ring at this point again.
I might have left a few things out, but overall, that's pretty much the process.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:18 PM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

If you go to the Victoria Rottweiler Club website there is a link to an article that Andreas Mueller wrote about preparing for a German style show. (it was also published in the USRC mag. but I can't remember which issue)
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:46 PM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

To further answer your question... You need a dog who is registered, dogs without papers can't compete. Bring his paperwork, rabies certificate, a leash and you are good to go. In the German style shows you can not hand stack the dog ( place his feet ) so they allow you to " bait " them from outside the ring with a ball or toy to get them to stand at attention and look alert. The running part is kinda tough at times especially if you are a smoker LOL.

Skip gave a very good outline of what happens. The shows are a lot of fun and EVERY dog gets a critique which is kinda nice to have. They also allow you to use multipul handlers so that when one gets tired of running he or she can hand the dog off to someone else and they continue to run. Some of the older dogs run a LOT of laps at times but they go pretty easy on puppies.

The New England Rottweiler Fanciers NERF is having a show THIS weekend at the Blue Hills Reservation in Milton Mass. If you are close by and have nothing to do , come and check it out. There should be around 120 dogs there in the different classes. Puppies and youth ( up to 24 months ) show on Saturday and the adults show on Sunday. The weather is going to be great ( it was about 30 degres last year )

If you go , stop by and say HI. My name is Andy and I'll have a female in 6 - 9 months and a male in 12 - 18 months
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Old 09-22-2007, 12:34 AM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

Thanks skip and andy and others. Ill be at a SCH trial this weekend. But ai will be at the northeast reginiol with him to show. I guess I better get my girlfriend running him.

can the handler use food like hotdog to treat him while in the ring? I would think it would be hard for my girl to get jake in line right infront of me?

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Old 09-22-2007, 12:52 AM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

Read the article - Food and items associated with bite work are not allowed.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

Da05128,

I have looked through my Bylaws & Rules, and do not see that Food &/or other items not allowed. I will however, get confirmation on this. Directly from the show committee, and if it is actually there post the rule regarding it.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:04 PM
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Read the article - Food and items associated with bite work are not allowed.

waht do you mean "associated with bitework"? How is food asociated with bite work...?
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:10 PM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

What he meant was the article said no food was allowed to bait the dogs. The article stated items used in bite work....whips, tugs, sleeves and such are also not allowed.


but with the food drive some of our rotties have who knows....maybe there are some that like a tug coated with Hotdogs!!!!
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:16 PM
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Da05128,

I have looked through my Bylaws & Rules, and do not see that Food &/or other items not allowed. I will however, get confirmation on this. Directly from the show committee, and if it is actually there post the rule regarding it.

It's also usually put in the program for each sieger style conformation show...something like 'no food baiting will be allowed in the ring". I think I've seen it written in every german style show program I've ever seen. I think it's one of the GREAT differences between AKC conformation shows and german style sieger shows.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:27 PM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

Skip,

You are correct in the fact it is in most if not all premiums. However, what I mean is I do not see a rule in the current Bylaws & Rules that I have that addresses this. I have seen many over the years use both food at times, also bite work associated items. Many think this is an actual rule that the USRC actually has, and I am awaiting confirmation of this one way or the other.


I mean really a piece of food or bitework item to me is not that much different than the various items people use. I have watched 8 week old puppies be used under the tent to bait dogs. Not to mention all the fox tails, balls, stuffed animals, squeaking items, and who knows what that are used. Oh yeah, and bitches in season too.
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:37 PM
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Skip,

You are correct in the fact it is in most if not all premiums. However, what I mean is I do not see a rule in the current Bylaws & Rules that I have that addresses this. I have seen many over the years use both food at times, also bite work associated items. Many think this is an actual rule that the USRC actually has, and I am awaiting confirmation of this one way or the other.


I mean really a piece of food or bitework item to me is not that much different than the various items people use. I have watched 8 week old puppies be used under the tent to bait dogs. Not to mention all the fox tails, balls, stuffed animals, squeaking items, and who knows what that are used. Oh yeah, and bitches in season too.
Bitework items put the dog into a whole other frame of mind, and it would be dangerous to allow that...especially with other dogs and people so close. As for the food... let's just keep that at the AKC shows. The difference is a good thing. They don't want the tails, we don't want the food!
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:02 PM
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Re: What entails showing my Dog?

Certain dogs can very easily be put into certain frames of mind. If I put my dog in the ring, and you stare him down or challenge him he will react. Heck, a sleeve would be actually much nicer. It would put him in a more playful manner than what someone could do without those things.

What about puppies being used to bait off of? That certainly should not be good. What about a number of dogs that bait directly off the dog next to them. Food or bite work item could help prevent a serious dog fight.

I agree, I love the differences the venue offers and especially since I have a few tailed dogs. Just a few of my thoughts on this issue.
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