disqualifying fault

[moho]

Hello everyone,
I recently noticed that there is quite an uneveness to the black on my boy's forearms.
I was wondering if this is considered a disqualifying fault.
Thanks ahead of time for any info.
Al

[targonrotts]

not sure what it looks like on your dog, but most likely it will be a fault or serious fault.
disqualifying for markings or color is: any base color other than black, absence of all markings.
sooty markings,excessive markings,small or absent markings in any location are undesirable-as described in the illustrated rottweiler standard.

[Sharon Marples]

Can you post a photo of him so we can understand what you are talking about?

[moho]

here is my attempt at posting a picture

[moho]

well tht was easy
here are a couple more

[brunie's mom]

Wow..that is weird colouring on the leg....it looks almost brindle.
Did your breeder sell him as a show prospect? When did this marking show up? when the puppy coat changed?

He is a very handsome boy....it could be the angle of the picture...but in the one picture it really looks like he has some huge jowels.....almost Mastiff like.

Gina

[moho]

Show prospect and the coloring was there from the beginning

Did you mean jowels or jewels? LOL

Seriously though, I believe it is the angle that makes his jowels look large.

Al

[Sharon Marples]

From the ARC Breed Standard:

Color
Always black with rust to mahogany markings. The demarcation between black and rust is to be clearly defined. The markings should be located as follows: a spot over each eye; on cheeks; as a strip around each side of muzzle, but not on the bridge of the nose; on throat; triangular mark on both sides of prosternum;on forelegs from carpus downward to the toes; on inside of rear legs showing down the front of the stifle and broadening out to front of rear legs from hock to toes, but not completely eliminating black from rear of pasterns; un-der tail; black penciling on toes. The undercoat is gray, tan, or black. Quantity and location of rust markings is important and should not exceed ten percent of body color. Serious Faults--Straw-colored, excessive, insufficient or sooty markings; rust marking other than described above; white marking any place on dog (a few rust or white hairs do not constitute a marking). Disqualifications--Any base color other than black; absence of all markings.

Since it says that the demarcation between the black and rust (or mahagony) is to be clearly defined, I would think that some judges may not deem your boy to be show quality. I have never seen markings like this on any rottie.

Do any of his siblings have the same markings? I would suggest that you see if you can find a breeder-judge to take a look at the dog or one that you can email this pictures to in order to get their opinion.

I am also a bit concerned that his eyes may be on the medium to light side. It may just be your photos, but they are certainly not as dark as is desired by the standard. And as Brunie's mom said, his jowels do look like they are on the "wet" side instead of being clean and tightly tucked in. Again, it may just be due to the angle of the photo.

There is going to be a very large set of shows in Northern CA in October. The shows are in Pleasanton on Oct 19, 20, and 21st. These are very large shows and you could take your boy over, talk to some of the breeders ringside and get their opinions of if they think his leg coloring, wetness and/or eye color will affect his show career. Find out if your breeder is going to the shows. And, you could watch the shows to see what the other pups of your dogs age look like at this time, it would give you lots to compare to.

I went in and looked at some of your other posts. In your post entitled "Potential Show Dog" ( http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/con...tml#post760230 ) you were given the advice to take him to shows and have others look at him to see if they thought he was show quality. Have you already done this?

[LynnS]

Originally Posted by SWEETBREW

He definitely looks a little mastiff. I fostered a boxer/mastiff cross for awhile, and he had those same eyes...
I wonder............................................ .....

I can vouch for the fact that this puppy came from a well respected breeder and is not a boxer/mastiff cross...

That being said, I say have your breeder evaluate him. That is the best person to make the call....

[Sharon Marples]

Originally Posted by LynnS

I can vouch for the fact that this puppy came from a well respected breeder and is not a boxer/mastiff cross...

That being said, I say have your breeder evaluate him. That is the best person to make the call....

I absolutly agree with your opinion since you know the breeder.

[LynnS]

Originally Posted by Sharon Marples

I absolutly agree with your opinion since you know the breeder.

I do have to add though that I can not remember ever seeing a Rottie with completely different markings on left vs right front legs and that it does stand out. I saw this puppy back in April or May and his markings seemed fine then....

[moho]

Hi Lynn,
I did stop in to see my breeder just a few days ago.
She was not feeling too well having just had surgery.
I did show her my boy's legs but we did not go into any detail, which it why
I was looking for another opinion.

Al

[LynnS]

Originally Posted by moho

Hi Lynn,
I did stop in to see my breeder just a few days ago.
She was not feeling too well having just had surgery.
I did show her my boy's legs but we did not go into any detail, which it why
I was looking for another opinion.

Al

Gotcha!

If there were any shows I was going to before Pleasanton, I would have you meet me out there and we could have a few handlers that I know look at him but I won't be at a show until the specialties in October.

Wish I could be of more help but having only shown one dog, I am hardly an expert on the subject.....

[targonrotts]

couple of questions...
is your dog still young...like under 8 months?
i have seen the exceesive gold on black before and as the dog aged, it fixed on its own.

other question...where the leg is uneven, is he missing any hair? does it look patchy?
if it does, you might want to get a skin scrape to check for mites.

other than that, if that was to stay, i would say it's no more than a serious fault...depending the judge. but yes, talk to your breeder, since she is the one most familiar with your line and how they have develped. he is a cute boy, though.

[moho]

Originally Posted by LynnS

Gotcha!

If there were any shows I was going to before Pleasanton, I would have you meet me out there and we could have a few handlers that I know look at him but I won't be at a show until the specialties in October.

Wish I could be of more help but having only shown one dog, I am hardly an expert on the subject.....

I'll see you in Pleasonton, I'm working the 18th but am off for the rest of the
show.
Al